[nl25] ak face shove oop against random opp

new to 6max and nl25, whats the general concensus in a spot like this, random opponent has a starcraft name probably isnt an idiot but for that reason i feel he can have slightly weaker than nuts here

Submitted by : rockman255

PokerStars Game #19943006385: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/27 - 15:50:27 (ET)
Table 'Sirene' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: lacozanostra ($15.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 3: locolindo ($12.50 in chips)
Seat 4: eldaurado ($36.35 in chips)
Seat 5: g00nkiller ($25.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Punkjob ($28.40 in chips)
Punkjob: posts small blind $0.10
lacozanostra: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $0.75 to $1
locolindo: folds
eldaurado: folds
g00nkiller: raises $2 to $3
Punkjob: folds
lacozanostra: folds
Hero : raises $5.25 to $8.25
g00nkiller: raises $17.25 to $25.50 and is all-in
Hero : eh .

like how often do most of you guys stack off with ak qq type hands? i guess its all read dependent, but when you have no read, whats the concensus. haha

when he 3bet me i was like well fuck hes 3betting the button, i cant just give this up here, so i 4bet, and then he shoved. and then yeah. maybe i should have just folded to the 3 bet, but fuck that .

Depends if you like coin flips.

Personally I like shoving AK when you have some fold equity, I hate calling a shove with it. With no info that he can turn up with completely random shite I fold here.

Edit - and would never fold to a 3bet here unless this guy was a super nit

do you make the 4th bet and for how much? we're okay with putting the $8 out there and giving it up?

isnt the general consensus here to not 4 bet AK heavy unless youre willing to call a shove?

On August 27 2008 13:01 SfydjkLm wrote: isnt the general consensus here to not 4 bet AK heavy unless youre willing to call a shove?

thats what i was worried about i mean, its so fucking pathetic to fold ak to a starcraft guy on the fucking button who min3bets me practically though. :O

what about calling and looking at the flop then?

I wouldn't make the 4bet in most instances (I would call the 3bet) but as you have it wasn't a massive 4bet and you have no info other than his name, I would fold.

Easily said but you should have an idea whether you are going to call a shove or not before you 4bet (as SfydjkLm says).

i dunno, ako flops really poorly and i'd be taking it out of position; it seems like calling is at best neutral ev :O

that being said SC name means shit
Think X17^_^

On August 27 2008 13:08 rockman255 wrote: i dunno, ako flops really poorly and i'd be taking it out of position; it seems like calling is at best neutral ev :O

Agreed - tough - but I would have a hard time folding to a weak 3bet with AKo. If that's the case then maybe you either need to accept and plan that you will fold or call when you 4bet and get shoved on or 4bet shove yourself.

Personally I think I would still like to see a flop cheaply but agree that it may not be +EV....would be interesting to hear a green star's view.

snap call

i'd probably just call here because the 3bet is light and because you're UTG (so presumably there's a good chance he's not 3betting you weakly). bluffing at a 2:3 value is pretty horrible when your hand is ahead of his range, and when you're 4-bet/folding here that's essentially what you're doing.

the fuck you put in a third of your stack preflop, there is no descion here

wtf why are you 4-betting if you arnt snapping a shove?

But what would you do pf Tom?

Snap call.


I 4bet a little larger because sometimes these guys will call and if you miss the flop you're in a shitty spot. You want FE with this move.

Also, I'm pretty sure "g00nkiller" isn't a Starcraft name. Besides random links to the real-world word "dragoon", I'd bet it's more likely the name has something to do with SA than SC. @_@

4-bet with 100 BB = Auto Call Any Shove.....
Why? It's the rulez. AND WE DONT BREAK RULES DO WE?!?!
Remember this is building your image as well among the players. If people start seeing you fold after you 4-bet you'll be easy pickings for the regulars who pick up on this.

SC name? so what?
maybe using the find a player feature would help a bit;-

On August 27 2008 15:33 4Kingell wrote: But what would you do pf Tom?

flat, AK flops very well and is extremley easy to play in a 3-bet pot in and out of position

ehh is it really better to flat with AK OOP..?=/ I thought were trying to make him fold here by 4betting big and calling any shove

if you cant 4bet call with AK than dont 4bet. flat pf and play postflop than but if you 4bet instant call when he shoves and celebrate 33%+ of the time

On August 27 2008 15:09 TalentedTom wrote: the fuck you put in a third of your stack preflop, there is no descion here wtf why are you 4-betting if you arnt snapping a shove?

exactly my thought. Why would u get 8 dollar in without calling a shove? I mean if he 3bets from the button and u raised him to 8 (which i would raise to 10 at least but ok) then u are commited. If you 4 bet this its auto call to a shove. God even against KK you have a decent chance to win the pot with 1/3 of ur stack in.

Probably a cooler or a bad 4bet.