[NL25] multiway with overpair

Submitted by : k4ir0s

PokerStars Game #19931581465: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/27 - 02:54:17 (ET)
Table 'Ismene IV' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Cernnunos ($24.05 in chips)
Seat 2: trottingkrip ($27.25 in chips)
Seat 3: rmitc207 ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 4: michelle1969 ($32.80 in chips)
Seat 6: nicu69 ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 7: uscredoctobe ($26.05 in chips)
Seat 8: Deffis ($25.30 in chips)
Seat 9: k4ir0s ($27 in chips)
rmitc207: posts small blind $0.10
michelle1969: posts big blind $0.25
SSTANN6869: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to k4ir0s
nicu69: raises $0.75 to $1
uscredoctobe: calls $1
Deffis: folds
k4ir0s : raises $2 to $3
Cernnunos: folds
trottingkrip: folds
rmitc207: folds
michelle1969: folds
nicu69: calls $2
uscredoctobe: calls $2

Flop (Pot : $9.35)

   
nicu69: checks
uscredoctobe: checks
k4ir0s : bets $5
nicu69: calls $5
uscredoctobe: folds

Turn (Pot : $19.35)

   
nicu69: checks
k4ir0s : checks

River (Pot : $19.35)

   
nicu69: bets $10

fold he has ak

i prolly bet the turn

On August 27 2008 00:04 traxamillion wrote: i prolly bet the turn

b/f turn?

I'd probably make pf and flop both a bit bigger. Reads/stats prolly helps too. As played villain has 15.6 behind and pot is 19.35 on turn, there is no room to b/f turn.

If he has AK why would he check the turn with the flush draw and risk giving a free card to you to complete your flush and for the same reason why would you check turn and not bet? A shove on the turn would give him the wrong odds to complete his flush.

i'd 3bet about $3.5, almost full pot the flop, and shove the turn.
if you lose it's a cooler, just reload

On August 27 2008 03:31 Exhilarate wrote: i'd 3bet about $3.5, almost full pot the flop, and shove the turn. if you lose it's a cooler, just reload

Kings are sick no doubt, but isn't this overplaying the hand on a super drawy board like this? You get beaten by a lot... 89, TT, TJ, QJ, AK, perhaps JJ.

I don't think 89 or TJ often flat 3bets? Then again the 3bet is a bit small. I do think this is a call or fold spot.. But I feel like an asshole if I fold and somehow find out they have AJ, AQ, AT, KT. IMO you look weak here and I can see someone firing a bet off.

I mean what's a reasonable range for people to flat 3bets with? I think.. AT-AK, TT/JJ/QQ, QJ, KT, KQ, KJ
You beat 6 of those and lose to 5. Plus when they have a random backdoor flush. So 6 win 6 lose IMO, they didn't raise or do anything exciting, and bet when you look weak throughout the hand. Call IMO?

Also I am curious what people think of this logic: If we pot the flop here in a 3bet pot, they will think of us as stronger and if they have a better hand than us are more likely to raise.. then we can fold. True/false?


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BTW I just realized I might have vastly different ideas of what people flat 3bets with than most. Ought to make a thread about this, but I have to goto class.