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[NL25]Calling down a bluff?


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SfydjkLm   Belarus. Aug 26 2008 12:53. Posts 813

Submitted by : SfydjkLm

PokerStars Game #19913294372: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/26 - 12:38:59 (ET)
Table 'Stromgrenia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: F#1acta ($22.05 in chips)
Seat 2: Guada Opa ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 3: p0kertante ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 4: PPPP77 ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Bouldou ($42.05 in chips)
Seat 6: ToEn74 ($35.50 in chips)
PPPP77 : posts small blind $0.10
Bouldou: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to PPPP77 9s9c
ToEn74: folds
F#1acta: folds
Bouldou said, "mmmm"
Guada Opa: raises $0.75 to $1
p0kertante: folds
PPPP77 : calls $0.90
Bouldou: calls $0.75

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3.00)

   9d5c3c
PPPP77 : bets $1
Bouldou: calls $1
Guada Opa: folds

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $5.00)

   9d5c3cJc
PPPP77 : checks
Bouldou: bets $3
PPPP77 : calls $3

River (Pot : $11.00)

   9d5c3cJcTh
PPPP77 : checks
Bouldou: bets $10.25
PPPP77 : calls $10.25

Showdown
Bouldou: shows 6h6s (a pair of Sixes)
PPPP77 : shows 9s9c (three of a kind, Nines)
PPPP77 collected $29.95 from pot

Summary
Total pot $31.50 | Rake $1.55
Board  9d5c3cJcTh
Seat 1: F#1acta folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Guada Opa folded on the Flop
Seat 3: p0kertante (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: PPPP77 (small blind) showed 9s9c and won ($29.95) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: Bouldou (big blind) showed 6h6s and lost with a pair of Sixes
Seat 6: ToEn74 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Should i have shoved? Or is a call like that fine, leaving space for a margin of error? Any other comments?

When you have the blockers its almost like double effect- like you dont not have the blockers. 

CrownRoyal   Oman. Aug 26 2008 13:10. Posts 7437

raise the flop

hjaeger: min raise someone else  

CrownRoyal   Oman. Aug 26 2008 13:11. Posts 7437

err wtf

lead the flop but lead it bigger and never slow down from there

hjaeger: min raise someone else  

Kilay   Netherlands. Aug 26 2008 13:11. Posts 1066

First of all, you absolutely butchered this hand... Either go for a c/r on the flop if you think you are getting a bet out of someone or beter like 2.5 on the flop yourself. You are giving great odds here. On the turn, just bet again, sure there is a 3rd club there but his range isn't just solely flushdraws, you can still get value from loads of other hands that you got beat by a long shot. Then I think on the river I'd valuebet again but smaller, something like 2/3 pot so you can get crying calls out of a J or whatever. You can also c/c the river but you should definitly c/r or bet hard on the flop and bet yourself on the turn and consider folding when getting raised.

Thats what we call a two bagger, a bag over her head is required and a bag over your head in case hers falls off - MoneyMatt1 from 2+2 

SfydjkLm   Belarus. Aug 26 2008 13:15. Posts 813

my reasoning tells me its a shove but my pussy tells me to call-_-
i was sure he doesnt have a flush draw(he woulda raised flop) and i played it that way so he could try to bluff twice but when the 10 came i was genuinely worried about KQ.

When you have the blockers its almost like double effect- like you dont not have the blockers. 

SfydjkLm   Belarus. Aug 26 2008 13:21. Posts 813


  On August 26 2008 13:11 CrownRoyal wrote:
err wtf

lead the flop but lead it bigger and never slow down from there


a few previous boards i cbet 1$(in a lesser pots ofc) with air and folded to reraise, and i did it because i wanted to make sure that if everyone completely missed that flop theyd still call me at least for 1$, and hopefully even reraises me expecting me to fold. Why i slowed down explained in the post above

When you have the blockers its almost like double effect- like you dont not have the blockers. 

killThemDonks   Kazachstan. Aug 26 2008 13:58. Posts 1539


  On August 26 2008 13:21 SfydjkLm wrote:
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a few previous boards i cbet 1$(in a lesser pots ofc) with air and folded to reraise, and i did it because i wanted to make sure that if everyone completely missed that flop theyd still call me at least for 1$, and hopefully even reraises me expecting me to fold. Why i slowed down explained in the post above


find a better spot to range balance? or start c/r with air and let the whole table see and c/r this flop all day.

Certain plays that would seem absolutely idiotic at one level of thinking might be considered sublime masterpieces of deception when examined through the filter of a higher level. 

Kilay   Netherlands. Aug 26 2008 15:35. Posts 1066


  On August 26 2008 13:58 killThemDonks wrote:
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find a better spot to range balance? or start c/r with air and let the whole table see and c/r this flop all day.



Easier solution, don't even get into metagame implications on the 25NL because 98% of the people, including the regs, don't even freaking notice...

Thats what we call a two bagger, a bag over her head is required and a bag over your head in case hers falls off - MoneyMatt1 from 2+2 

killThemDonks   Kazachstan. Aug 26 2008 15:42. Posts 1539


  On August 26 2008 15:35 Kilay wrote:
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Easier solution, don't even get into metagame implications on the 25NL because 98% of the people, including the regs, don't even freaking notice...



this

Certain plays that would seem absolutely idiotic at one level of thinking might be considered sublime masterpieces of deception when examined through the filter of a higher level. 

 




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