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4kinggenius   United Kingdom. Aug 26 2008 09:10. Posts 98

Villain stats are 14/10/10 over 50 hands and I havent seen him making any silly plays:

Submitted by : 4kinggenius

PokerStars Game #19906419752: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/26 - 03:19:13 (ET)
Table 'Alleghenia' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: sweethard177 ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($49.35 in chips)
Seat 3: cueace ($12.10 in chips)
Seat 4: hitriver29 ($25.35 in chips)
Seat 5: rostboot ($16.25 in chips)
Seat 6: dan6937 ($24 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $0.10
cueace: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero AsJs
hitriver29: raises $0.75 to $1
rostboot: folds
dan6937: calls $1
sweethard177: folds
Hero : raises $2.75 to $3.75
cueace: folds
hitriver29: calls $2.75
dan6937: calls $2.75

Flop (Pot : $11.50)

   KdKcAd
Hero : checks
hitriver29: checks
dan6937: bets $2
Hero : raises $3.50 to $5.50
hitriver29: folds
dan6937: calls $3.50

Turn (Pot : $22.50)

   KdKcAd8h
Hero : checks
dan6937: checks

River (Pot : $22.50)

   KdKcAd8hQc
Hero : checks
dan6937: bets $8
Hero : ?



I didnt like the flop 3 handed but betting seemed weak and he insta-called my (prolly too small) CR after my pf squeeze 3 bet which was when I gave him credit for a King in his hand and decided I was done with the hand. He then put out a Vbet on river and even though I think Im beat I am getting almost 4:1 for my money - can i really fold here????

Nature abhors a hero. For one thing, he violates the law of conservation of energy. For another, how can it be the survival of the fittest when the fittest keeps putting himself in situations where he is most likely to be creamed? 

CrownRoyal   Oman. Aug 26 2008 09:34. Posts 7437

i hate your flop play

i'd c/c the flop and lead the turn

hjaeger: min raise someone else  

msna   Canada. Aug 26 2008 09:44. Posts 624

bad flop play and obvious call! actually the Q is good because you will no longer lose to AQ! how ever I don't see him having a K and checking behind you on turn. TJ doesn't fit to his PF play as well. but you should bet flop and evaluate to see if villain has a K.

Dont panic I shove alot! 

4kinggenius   United Kingdom. Aug 27 2008 01:50. Posts 98

so even with his stats and calls of 3 bets and CR (or Cbet if I had gone that route) you would still lead the turn Crown Royal?

BTW - I did call his $8 and he showed down 66......

Nature abhors a hero. For one thing, he violates the law of conservation of energy. For another, how can it be the survival of the fittest when the fittest keeps putting himself in situations where he is most likely to be creamed? 

gawdawaful   Canada. Aug 27 2008 01:55. Posts 5910

your flop c/r didnt really accomplish anything tbh, the only thing you'll fold out is complete air
I'd rather c/c and re-eval on turn. Against someone whos 14/10, I'm not loving life though.

Im only good at poker when I run good 

4Kingell   United Kingdom. Aug 27 2008 09:05. Posts 241

(Edit: If you are going to raise) - I would raise pre a little more - maybe $4.50/$5 - the first guy has only $2.75 to call for a $5.75 pot, once he calls the second guy is in there with anything.

I would lead the flop - saves lots of difficult decisions later.

As played you would have to call as you never showed any strength. The c/r to less than half pot was almost as gay as his gay bet (sorry mate!).....I know you love to c/r....

Even if you had c/r'd to a decent amount you were only getting crushed if he did have a king and getting no value from hands like.....66

“If you are going through hell, keep going.” - ChurchillLast edit: 27/08/2008 14:25

failsafe   United States. Aug 27 2008 13:43. Posts 528

the guy is 14/10/10 and you 3bet his UTG 2bet from oop when you have AJs?
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the flop play is ofc horrible too; i guess the river is probably about neutral EV. you can hope he had AQ or maybe even AJ here and split frequently enough that it might be worth a call

positive positivityLast edit: 27/08/2008 13:47

Question   Czech Republic. Aug 27 2008 14:00. Posts 788

uh your line sux hard mate......


SakiSaki    Sweden. Aug 27 2008 14:07. Posts 8196

suicide poker ftw

I beat off to a wide range of porn. || Actually, the $2/5 live plays a lot like $5/10 online and the $5/10 plays a lot like $10/20 online. // AvidGambler 

4kinggenius   United Kingdom. Aug 27 2008 17:10. Posts 98

cheers guys. I knew i had played it bad - didnt realise how bad!! thanks for your input - all helps with the learning curve.

Nature abhors a hero. For one thing, he violates the law of conservation of energy. For another, how can it be the survival of the fittest when the fittest keeps putting himself in situations where he is most likely to be creamed? 

bongky   Peru. Aug 28 2008 05:51. Posts 1754


  On August 27 2008 14:00 Question wrote:
uh your line sux hard mate......

dont u fkin limp my fkin blind 

MeaL   United States. Aug 28 2008 09:06. Posts 686

lead flop shoves turn my opinion


F4Zi   United Kingdom. Aug 28 2008 11:40. Posts 2919

i dont like this line on these stakes, aye dont check turn
as played snap river

NeillyJQ: so ya, i got PWNED by coinflips and fazi had the audacity to brag about how his roll is over 1k in a day or something stupid like that to me as well, why kick someone while theyre down? faggot ass fucking queer. 

rogier   Netherlands. Aug 28 2008 11:51. Posts 1213

you already made your choice @ flop. now call


4kinggenius   United Kingdom. Aug 28 2008 11:54. Posts 98


  On August 27 2008 01:50 4kinggenius wrote:

BTW - I did call his $8 and he showed down 66......




I would much rather have seen AK here than 66 as it confuses me even more to the thought processes at this level.

66 is about the only hand that no-one on here has managed to suggest he had!

Nature abhors a hero. For one thing, he violates the law of conservation of energy. For another, how can it be the survival of the fittest when the fittest keeps putting himself in situations where he is most likely to be creamed?Last edit: 28/08/2008 12:19

edzwoo   United States. Aug 28 2008 12:30. Posts 727

I noticed this hand but you already gave the results. At these stakes, this type of line by a villain is almost always a low pocket pair. The mentality is "oh, a paired board, it's unlikely that they caught anything." Donks will take this line with a K as well, but they will pot the river.


UCSB_Georgi   United States. Aug 28 2008 20:27. Posts 144

Ya c/c the flop. Your raise folds out possible weaker aces which you get value from later and puts you in big pot decisions on later streets if he stays in the hand. As played you have to call with those pot odds.

 Last edit: 28/08/2008 20:27

 




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