2 more queer spots

SB was like really high/really high(vpip/pfr) and a total dweebtard who limp/folded his button earlier to one of my shoves being shortstacked earlier. whats the best play here?

shoving is awkward with 15BBs right?
folding sux
limp/folding to missed flop is also gay
raise/folding to a reraise is gayest of all

Submitted by : shaneomac

PokerStars Game #19850413835: Tournament #103933157, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/08/23 - 23:25:11 (ET)
Table '103933157 2' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Jaymel12345 (16191 in chips)
Seat 2: OVERUNDR (3683 in chips)
Seat 4: jason388 (7727 in chips)
Seat 5: maxnrelax (4965 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (2965 in chips)
Seat 7: NAP_KID (14290 in chips)
Seat 8: 22WILKS22 (2884 in chips)
Seat 9: Charmycharm (3654 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind 100
NAP_KID: posts big blind 200

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
maxnrelax said, "nh"
Jaymel12345 said, "didnt wanna take all your money"
22WILKS22: folds
Charmycharm: folds
Jaymel12345: folds
Jaymel12345 said, "ty"
OVERUNDR: folds
jason388: folds
maxnrelax said, "ty"
maxnrelax: calls 200
Hero :

PokerStars Game #19843247479: Tournament #102282033, $15.00+$1.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/08/23 - 17:40:32 (ET)
Table '102282033 9' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Moteloc (4850 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: vcwhr666 (1340 in chips)
Seat 3: yerlow (1800 in chips)
Seat 4: billandlyn (1045 in chips)
Seat 5: FriggjoBIG (1555 in chips)
Seat 6: The Madl (1800 in chips)
Seat 7: awobball44 (1305 in chips)
Seat 8: jippidion (3575 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero (4170 in chips)
jippidion: posts small blind 15
Hero : posts big blind 30

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Moteloc: folds
vcwhr666: folds
yerlow: folds
billandlyn: raises 420 to 450
FriggjoBIG: folds
The Madl: folds
awobball44 has timed out
awobball44: folds
awobball44 is sitting out
jippidion: calls 435
Hero :

Hand 1: I have no qualms with checking - nor do I have a problem with raising to 600.

Hand 2: I reraise to put short stack allin.

hand 1 i think shoving is fine, there's 500 in the pot and the button limper is never calling

hand 2 i wouldnt consider anything but all in

oh I misread hand1 because I thought he was BB - so I thought sb was limping him :/

and hand 2 im not sure if u are seeing - but both him and another have well over 100BB

On August 23 2008 22:33 Yugless wrote: hand 1 i think shoving is fine, there's 500 in the pot and the button limper is never calling hand 2 i wouldnt consider anything but all in

i agree with shoving hand 1 but the bottom limper is calling at least 25% of the time. it makes no sense and it's the strangest thing when it happens, but i am telling you people limp/call the button like this constantly

hand 2 also agree

as for being so deep with the guy who flatted...

so what, you said he's really loose and spewy and is calling big raises with AT and such. given that history, very easy allin and don't expect him to call you either.

I shove both

u guys are retarded how is shoving hand 2 better than just raising to put the shortstack allin

poker is ezier when you just shove pf :D! wut???

because he will call with worse and he's gonna call any raise anyway so might as well get it in while we are ahead and not put in 1/3 of our stack to c/f or something faggy like that.

+ AQ/AJ and other randoms might fold when you raise and they call ad then you shove the flop

in hand 2 how come nobody is asking about the initial raiser who open raised to 15bb??

On August 28 2008 14:45 asdf2000 wrote: u guys are retarded how is shoving hand 2 better than just raising to put the shortstack allin

cause when the other dude coldcalls, he usually has some BS pair and folds if we get there, im fine just getting it hu

I dont get why we'd do anything else

On August 28 2008 17:40 Fraser wrote: in hand 2 how come nobody is asking about the initial raiser who open raised to 15bb??

because hes clearly retarded, so AK crushes him

twistedecho wins

the coldcaller could always have something awesome but way more often than not does he have a hand like aj or not that high pocket which he wants to get allin on the flop vs shortstack but is afraid to get allin vs bigstack

i'd just push both

Travis are you folding to a shove from the big stack? it will be 2500 to call 5600.

shoveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

ez game

shove both

easy game