Bluffcatcher with full house

This guy is kinda tight, but also quite spewey and a very poor handreader. He's does a lot of hopeless (no pair no draw) bet check bet lines, but I have not see him 3 barrel yet. As played I was trying to give him as much room as possible to hang himself with KJ, QJ, 89, 78 etc... his river shove was after 3 sec of thinking (which by n0rthface theory is never a bluff)

Submitted by : TalentedTom

PokerStars Game #19811331023: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/08/22 - 12:56:47 (ET)
Table 'Annagerman II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Bidicha ($400 in chips)
Seat 2: mkgringo ($452.70 in chips)
Seat 3: wader ($411.80 in chips)
Seat 4: jd2b2006 ($715 in chips)
Seat 5: TalentedTom ($534.50 in chips)
Seat 6: kkezos ($345.60 in chips)
wader: posts small blind $2
jd2b2006: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to TalentedTom
TalentedTom : raises $8 to $12
kkezos: folds
Bidicha: folds
mkgringo: calls $12
wader: folds
jd2b2006: folds

Flop (Pot : $30.00)

   
TalentedTom : checks
mkgringo: bets $20
TalentedTom : raises $45 to $65
mkgringo is disconnected
mkgringo is connected
mkgringo: calls $45

Turn (Pot : $160.00)

   
TalentedTom : checks
mkgringo: bets $108
TalentedTom : calls $108

River (Pot : $376.00)

   
TalentedTom : checks
mkgringo: bets $267.70 and is all-in

I can not imagine him bluffin here. Your hand look soo much like overpair that is going to call a river bet that I can not imagine him bluffing here.
I dont know him but I think a decent player would not call flop with KJ or QJ. And even if they do sure as shit they wont bet the turn.

But if he is that bad over aggro monkey that he might do that then I guess this line rocks.

But cause you said he is not a great player Im %100 sure he thinks u have over pair. And he has like a TJ/QT/T8 here.


PS: Im sure you know this but I shove turn here %100.

I would immagine it's far better to call a reaise with KJ/QJ then with any Tx

i obv can't speak for the man but i think n0rthface theory doesn't apply here. I think I remember the hand you are talking about but the action was completely different, here villain can easily decide on the turn if he's going to shove the river or not if he misses.

This hand is too much fps imo, either bet bet bet or chk/r flop -> lead the turn. As played i don't mind the chk/c turn - just an unfortunate river - if you think QJ / KJ is 100% in his cc range and if so it's an easy call on the river.

On August 22 2008 15:58 capaneo wrote: I dont know him but I think a decent player would not call flop with KJ or QJ. And even if they do sure as shit they wont bet the turn.

i don't think anyone folds KJ or QJ on this board IP. Then again OP states he's a tight player and i don't know if those hands are in his cc range or not.

i was convinced this would be a FR thread from title

I think checking the turn is too fancy

On August 22 2008 17:12 JonnyCosMo wrote: I think checking the turn is too fancy

agreed. after chek raising flop cheking the turn is just weird, and it does make your hand look like aa/qq/kk so i think folding riv is good.

checking the turn isn't necessarily too fancy but check/CALLING the turn is for sure

if you check turn then shove over this bet all day

bet turn is prob better though

On August 22 2008 16:12 TalentedTom wrote: I would immagine it's far better to call a reaise with KJ/QJ then with any Tx

Im saying that KJ/QJ would probably check flop behind. Or maybe even shove over the top on the flop. But your line basically suggest that you have an overpair. So any draw with an 8 wouldn't call cause he knows you are not gonna pay them off in case they hit their str8. So they are basically drawing to 4 outs on the flop.
I dont know but If I call PF with anything and then on the flop I catch a very marginal draw and it gets check to me I take free cards %100. Cause if I bet and I get raised. Its just doesn't worth it.
But after all that IF I play flop like this Im %1000000000000000000 checking turn behind with all draws SPECIALLY after the boared turns suggesting that I might be drawing dead. So I really dont think he has a draw here. Unless he is one of those mega maniacs who wants to win EVERY single pot they play.

yeah shoving turn makes the hand easy as *****, prob should have done that to save the headache

I actually love your line vs the right opponent. only 5 obviously bad cards in the deck, and I think it has alot of upside. I thnk you stack his 10 either way, and get value out of people pushing KJ, QJ, and even 8s on the river too, which doesn't seem too unlikely to me, but then again i'm one of those retard aggros that cap described.

On August 22 2008 18:16 Rekrul wrote: checking the turn isn't necessarily too fancy but check/CALLING the turn is for sure if you check turn then shove over this bet all day bet turn is prob better though

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