20nl KK vs weird line

Submitted by : Spitfiree

***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 396156905 *****
NL $0.10/$0.20 Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 07, 19:25:52 GMT 2008
Table Sodium 42 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: BigThomba ( $0 )
Seat 2: mandyak ( $29.86 )
Seat 3: Hero ( $28.59 )
Seat 4: Big Norm ( $41.13 )
Seat 5: terkkz ( $19.94 )
Seat 6: cashking08 ( $27.19 )
terkkz posts small blind [$0.10]
cashking08 posts big blind [$0.20]

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
mandyak calls [$0.20]
Hero raises to [$1]
Big Norm folds
terkkz folds
cashking08 folds
mandyak calls [$0.80]

Flop (Pot : $2.30)

   
mandyak checks
Hero bets [$2]
mandyak calls [$2]

Turn (Pot : $6.30)

   
mandyak bets [$6.30]
Hero wot up

fold or

call/call if your read is that strong

looks like a fold though

why risk it, with that stats youre taking his money either way sooner or later.

I'm still very new to the game so I'm going to throw out my humble opinion and if someone will critique my line of logic, it would be very helpful, and I greatly appreciate it.

I'm new to the whole "71/40/0.5" stat system, but I'm guessing the 71 is fairly high and so is the 40 (is that % PF raises of all the hands or just the hands that he plays?) So you could say that this person is loose and passive? It seems strange and fishy to me that mandyak would suddenly change gears and bet pot on the turn when he checked first on the flop. Would he really make such a strong move if he hit that ace? Being loose passive, he could be slow-playing a set (much less likely), or maybe a 9 and/or flush draw. Personally, I would call and see what the situation is like on the river.


Someone let me know if I'm way off. Thanks

this is the ace most of the time. a bad player would c/c this flop with aq/aj or a9 and go nuts when hit his ace. very transparent. his af is too low to all of a sudden rep a scare card like this w/out actually having it. fold

is AF the "0.5" ?

trax thats what i did actually and i think its pretty much the worst line here to do when u think about it its a fold or shove situation u dont really get any equity in calling to SD imo
anyway i did call/call and river came an 8 of hearts and the guy showed me 89o and i was like *WTF*

btw is my thinking about the fold/shove situation right?

& shakedown yeah AF is 0.5

I don't agree spitfiree re. fold or shove. You can only shove if you have a good read on this guy and you know he will call a shove light - his line makes no sense at all and with his stats I'm not surprised. It is so hard to put any of these fish on ranges as they don't think...so it's difficult to have a decent read on him without a lot of history of similar situations. If he's bluffing then a call and value bet to his expected river check is reasonable. If he's bluffing you are getting paid with a call/call or call/bet. If he's not bluffing then the shove will get called, if he's bluffing he will fold and you don't get paid off (maybe you get called by TT/JJ/QQ)?. So for me the shove is a bad choice.

The 8 on the river is just a cooler. Reload and get the cash back off him - doesn't look like it will be that difficult!

I think the hardest thing to do on betfair up to 50NL is to put these fish on hands as it seems to be so completely random. This guy is passive but most of them seem to be aggro and loose, when any chance of putting them on hands is virtually impossible - one guy last night 76/54/4.8 over 127 hands - wtf?? Another stacked off with Q3s after making bottom pair
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and you proved that here - there's no way you or anyone else was putting him on 89o - especially with his ridiculously passive stats and the turn bet.

These hands/stats will no doubt make all you US based guys sick.

shakedown - I think your logic would be right if these fish used any logic. He may well have played it exactly the same if he had the ace....it's too easy to overthink at this level IMO.

he could be doing this with a flush draw as a blocking bet or protecting middle pair, i would raise and give up to any resistance.

fold turn.. imho

i think the fact that he showed 98o here shows u should call call ....

even if u had a read he would play mid pair like this 100% you would be better off calling turn then playing a river because you don't know that he will call a raise on the turn with worse.

On August 11 2008 09:35 Alexa85 wrote: he could be doing this with a flush draw as a blocking bet or protecting middle pair, i would raise and give up to any resistance.

wat?

this is like the worst line suggested so far

u think a 70/40 is bet/folding a fd?

never