100NL 88 in tricky spot

Villain was 26/20 but didnt seem to be a regular.

Submitted by : LilDeano89

PokerStars Game #19425961323: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/07 - 05:58:29 (ET)
Table 'Tethys' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: OddsAgainstU ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: Lofvendahl ($117.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Gott500 ($95.05 in chips)
Seat 4: PHEENIIX ($256.65 in chips)
Seat 5: LilDeano89 ($112.70 in chips)
Seat 6: wildatheart3 ($117.20 in chips)
wildatheart3: posts small blind $0.50
OddsAgainstU: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to LilDeano89
Lofvendahl: folds
Gott500: raises $2 to $3
OddsAgainstU said, "insta shove for 150 BBs usually is KK/AA i hope "
PHEENIIX: calls $3
LilDeano89 : calls $3
wildatheart3: folds
OddsAgainstU: folds

Flop (Pot : $10.50)

   
Gott500: checks
PHEENIIX: bets $14
LilDeano89 : calls $14
Gott500: folds

Turn (Pot : $38.50)

   
PHEENIIX: checks
LilDeano89 : bets $24
PHEENIIX: calls $24

River (Pot : $86.50)

   
PHEENIIX: bets $215.65 and is all-in
LilDeano89 : ?

LOL omfg this line is so sick, roflmao

i dunno fold i guess

So weird, I mean for value he can only have a J or A3 of spades imo, only think that makes sense for him to bluff there are missed overs but 26/20 prolly 3b those pre, so fml but I fold.

doubt he does this with 22 for value lol

lool mb ^^!

This is a 1 million percent fold.

go hate lyfe

On August 07 2008 03:41 [vital]Myth wrote: LOL omfg this line is so sick, roflmao i dunno fold i guess

river bet is $71
I dunno what jack he could possibly have and overpair doesnt seem any more likely than underpair and 3? i dunno
id strongly contemplate calling at least, prolly would do it too, I think you're good one third of the time..

i mean to me it does look like a : bluff that doesnt really make sense and isnt thought through, b: some kind of 3, c: some kind of jack that he somehow felt like calling with
some kind of 3 feels unlikely as there's only one left and not that many 3's people call with preflop anyway, some kind of jack feels unlikely cause I just dont think it makes sense for him to call turn with it and it doesnt look like a good place to bluff but then again, him not being a regular means we should expect him to make mistakes
which makes all 3 options and hell even overpair possible

but I still think you're good one third of the time

your turn bet is really bad esp if you don't want to get it in, if you dont wanna play an all in pot dont bet the turn - as played easy snap call

On August 07 2008 11:49 TalentedTom wrote: your turn bet is really bad esp if you don't want to get it in, if you dont wanna play an all in pot dont bet the turn - as played easy snap call

why not betting the turn? its a float and he should have a free sd but this villain made this awkward move, did you expect him shooving and playing for stacks on the river? lol...

I don't like the turn bet either. Do you think he check/calls with enough of his range that we beat and he stops valuebetting on a turn that is perfect to keep barreling at?

There are no draws out so we either float him or have a made hand, but we won't fold on that turn so he won't call with hands he stops betting unless we are trapped and he expects us to float and try to take down the pot on turn with a bluff.

I don't really get Sadi's arguement, why should we bet turn because we floated flop..? We have a vulnerable hand in a 3way pot that we want to take to a cheap showdown...

On August 07 2008 11:49 TalentedTom wrote: your turn bet is really bad esp if you don't want to get it in, if you dont wanna play an all in pot dont bet the turn - as played easy snap call

agreed with first part, still dont think this is a snap call though

Flop call isn't even a float. By checking turn we get more control on the potsize. If we bet and he shoves over he might not even have us beat but we'll have to fold. If we check we can call a river valuebet or valuebet ourselves.

On August 08 2008 05:04 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2008 11:49 TalentedTom wrote: your turn bet is really bad esp if you don't want to get it in, if you dont wanna play an all in pot dont bet the turn - as played easy snap call agreed with first part, still dont think this is a snap call though

eh part of the reason for a call is his random spazzy 1.5x pot lead into 2 people on the flop on the dryest boards in the world, I think this player's range is somewhat random and includes stuff like 22, any Ax any overs KQ, KJ, etc... our smallish 5/9 turn bet encourages a lot of floats which he has to protect by shoving scarecards on the river

basically from his perspective u have to fold a ton of your range so instead you should call (until he stops trying to push you off then you should fold ). i think we're looking at 3/x or air here a majority of the time, or a terribly played overpair.