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traxamillion   United States. Jul 24 2008 16:45. Posts 10468 | | | |
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traxamillion   United States. Jul 24 2008 16:46. Posts 10468 | | | |
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X bour420   United States. Jul 24 2008 17:09. Posts 238 | | |
didnt kno that a suited ace rag was raisable utg, but once that board hits i guess this is standard or there was no reason to play it in the first place |
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traxamillion   United States. Jul 24 2008 17:20. Posts 10468 | | |
I can raise here pre profitably I think. I play pretty loose and aggressive compared to the rest of the players in this game and they don't play back as much as they should. My hand will usually be pretty straightforward to play postflop and has good equity vs everything. Not like im stacking off on a high flops or am even looking for ace high flops. If some dude was 3betting me a lot ip then ya i would tighten up but even then AXs gives me a hand to check 4bet him with if he is too out of line.
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traxamillion   United States. Jul 24 2008 17:34. Posts 10468 | | |
plus i've noticed some tagfish will give a lot of respect to ep raises while trying to own lp opens like its their job.
I open up in lp vs these guys sometimes b/c they stick to sethunting in these pots. This makes some easy pots to play while it also makes them think im looser in other positions than i really am. |
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PplusAD   Germany. Jul 24 2008 18:02. Posts 7182 | | |
Well u can open A2s A3s A4s A5s UTG and EP on tight tables that wont play back much imo.
like 70-80% of the time u win the pot preflop anyways and when u dont u either hit a very disguised monster or u have an easy fold most of the time.
However it will also put u in this situation with NFd on flop vs 3 bet sometimes.
Well when he reraises u it totally depends on what kind of player he is.
The main questions are :
Does he raise smaller with monsters or with weaker hands (77-99)
Does he raise draws ?
Do u have fold equity vs 77-99 here considering how villain plays
vs an unknown or semi agressive tight player the way u played it is pretty standart
since u have some FE from low overpairs + he migght be on a FD, too
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| U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz) | |
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X bour420   United States. Jul 24 2008 18:14. Posts 238 | | |
you make a good point, i was just curious why its profitable but i guess its good situationally, obviously never in full ring. i think pplus is right tho because the thing that tips these situations from -ev to +ev is the potential fold equity. |
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traxamillion   United States. Jul 24 2008 19:08. Posts 10468 | | |
well yea im not getting it in for pure value here obviously.
You know what he is probably not even raising any pairs here and probably not even putting a move on me considering its utg vs utg +1
i been getting raped by sets today |
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PplusAD   Germany. Jul 24 2008 19:17. Posts 7182 | | |
This would be a very dumb spot to make a move !
Therefore i guess this is pure bluff almost never ... ( maybe like 1-5% or so when u know he is the kind a person to bluff a lot in generall )
Given the action here the only questions are ->
1.) do u have FE vs 77-99 on flop push
2.) will u get a free river when calling flop( some people may 3 bet flop and then check//behind with low over pockets on turn to keep pot small in way ahead / way behind)
3.) will u get paid of when FD hits on Turn or river
If u dont have FE id tend towards a call or fold depending on possible free rivers ( as said he may check//behindturn)
ure behind 40-60 vs 77-99 and ure drawind dead vs 66
so A shove without having FE is worse than a fold for sure
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| U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz) | Last edit: 24/07/2008 19:19 |
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traxamillion   United States. Jul 24 2008 19:33. Posts 10468 | | |
I feel like If i shove I fold out every non boat hand; therefore there is no real reason for me to draw to a flush
I don't think i get a free river vs his mediocre hands and also get paid off upon hitting
He is competent enough to raise this flop wider than 66622 2222x though |
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clee   . Jul 25 2008 04:14. Posts 24 | | |
tough spot.. another situation that really polarises his hand. i wouldnt have expected him to make a move so soon with the stone cold nuts/or a set. Typical behaviour would be for him to call your flop bet and induce you to take another stab on the turn but his play was aggressive enough to pay off. If he put you on an overpair/nut flush draw I actually quite like his raise.
the error is likely in playing Ax suited for the flush capabilities from EP as you are definitely dominated by a lot of aces that call behind you.. i think if you had been in position this hand would have been much easier to play, you could have called and c/f the turn to his lead. |
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CrownRoyal   United States. Jul 25 2008 06:01. Posts 11386 | | |
um if he calls you're like 35% vs his range easily
he's only gotta fold rarely for this to even be profitable + it's amazingly good for image purposes ez ship and your raise pf is fine |
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traxamillion   United States. Jul 25 2008 19:58. Posts 10468 | | |
fasho crown i was just having a rough session 2nd guessing myself about some hands |
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