nl200 QQ how is my line?

pretty new at the table, guy has already 3betted me 2 times IP so this is the 3rd time, plays 24/18/2 overall . A 4bet can look like im frustrated, but i opted for this line, if i push flop i fold out pretty much except hands that beats me, now he gets a change to 2 barrel bluff if he thinks i started calling down really thin.

Submitted by : Balzamon

GAME #1086675581: Texas Hold'em NL $1.00/$2.00 2008-07-24 18:40:48
Table Sanniquellie
Seat 3: Hero ($197.00 in chips)
Seat 5: NDERPPZ ($203.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: freeyourfunk ($105.20 in chips)
Seat 8: ZeroSkillz ($287.65 in chips)
Seat 10: ElvenSPb ($210.05 in chips)
freeyourfunk: Post SB $1.00
ZeroSkillz: Post BB $2.00

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
ElvenSPb: Fold
Hero : Raise (NF) $7.00
NDERPPZ: Raise (NF) $26.00
freeyourfunk: Fold
ZeroSkillz: Fold
Hero : Call $19.00

Flop (Pot : $22.00)

   
Hero : Check
NDERPPZ: Bet $34.00
Hero : Call $34.00

Turn (Pot : $90.00)

   
Hero : Check
NDERPPZ: Bet $58.00
Hero : Raise (NF) $137.00

I fold turn. I really think you should have 4bet.

Why are you raising the turn ?

very gay if a A or a 4th straight card comes on river and i have to check call that

wow i hate this line

On July 24 2008 11:48 Bluffed1331 wrote: wow i hate this line

feel free to tell me why!

I mean yes 4bet is very good as well, i probably look really frustarted and can get a 5bet shove bluff sometime, and a valueshove with JJ/10 and AK/AQ, but this time i felt to take another line

either 4bet pf, and if thinks u got frustrated with just 3 3bet IP calls his 5bet shove
or call the 3bet oop, c/c flop and fold turn because that 5 completed lots of draw like 79, and i dont see him betting that turn w/o a K at least

i don't get it, if you think he's bluffing then call and let him stack off on the river

raising here only stops his attempts to bluff and he'll only call you with better (and from the looks of his line he'll be calling with basically any Kx)

this is good if on this site Queens beats Kings

just awful prob check/fold turn

My ai raise on turn is not for value, i just think that i got just as much value i can from his bluff/marginal hands and i would feel sick to check/call any gay river.

My plan with this QQ was to play for stacks on pretty much any board that isnt totally fucked, like AKx or whatever. And instead of raising flop and turning my hand to a bluff there already when the K hitted the board i do it on turn instead so that if hes bluffing i get another street of value, is this line really that bad? Is 4bet really the only option?

(could maybe be for value against 1010-JJ i dont know him that well)

I don't think he'll dubble barrel that much on that card if he thinks you're frustrated.

just 4 bet him if you think he repopping you lightly. I don't like your thought process here, you get yourself in ugly spots with A or K high flops just like it happens and you never know where you at, they are pretty easy to play for him, just like you said, postflop he can fold his worse and continue with his better hands.

You allow him to valuetown you pretty hard. Even he did 2 barrel you, now he is gonna fold JJ, TT and only continue with AK, AA, KK whatever he has.

4betting pf looks a lot less stronger than a call here imo (esp since you're oop)

i doubt he's barreling the turn with worse that often since you appear to be finally making a stand against him and he thinks you're probably getting frustrated, so i'd just c/f turn