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Cortex408   Australia. Jul 22 2008 17:00. Posts 16

Villain is 16.5/11.5/3.5 after 1018 hands.

Submitted by : Cortex408

***** Hand History for Game 7240247308 *****
$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, July 22, 17:21:09 ET 2008
Table Table 164900 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: pistolchen ( $106 USD )
Seat 3: Tobbax111 ( $105.65 USD )
Seat 4: Derfor99 ( $89.94 USD )
Seat 6: Todesbolm ( $107.43 USD )
Seat 5: Cortex408 ( $101 USD )
Seat 2: luck_fabix ( $104.91 USD )
Todesbolm posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
pistolchen posts big blind [$1 USD].

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Cortex408 TcTh
luck_fabix folds
Tobbax111 folds
Derfor99 folds
Cortex408 raises [$3 USD]
Todesbolm raises [$11.50 USD]
pistolchen folds
Cortex408 calls [$9 USD]

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $25.00)

   3h8d6c
Todesbolm bets [$15 USD]
Cortex408 calls [$15 USD]

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $55.00)

   3h8d6c9d
Todesbolm checks
Cortex408 bets [$35 USD]
Todesbolm raises [$74 USD]
Cortex408 is all-In [$39 USD]

River (Pot : $203.00)

   3h8d6c9d2s
Todesbolm shows JsJd a pair of Jacks .
Cortex408 doesn't show TcTh a pair of Tens .
Todesbolm wins $200 USD from the main pot with a pair of Jacks .



This happens to me all the time. I call a 3-bet with TT-QQ,
flop is all low and then I get stacked by a bigger overpair.

What can I do?

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Fox   . Jul 22 2008 17:49. Posts 3110

checking turn and flatting river could save you money. you aren't ahead of anything


DustySwedeDude   Sweden. Jul 22 2008 18:31. Posts 8623

I don't understand the turnbet at all. It's almost more of a bluff then anything else:/


ShaunR   United States. Jul 22 2008 20:39. Posts 604

you dont need to protect against AK on the turn, it's only 12% to hit


Misjka   Netherlands. Jul 22 2008 22:08. Posts 266


  On July 22 2008 19:39 ShaunR wrote:
you dont need to protect against AK on the turn, it's only 12% to hit



Lol this sounds soo obvious, but just not being afraid of overcards that could possibly hit helped my winrate improve drastically and I'm not the only one who had that leak


TalentedTom    Canada. Jul 22 2008 23:33. Posts 20070

fold preflop
someone who plays 16.5/11.5 probably 3-bets only TT+/AK

there is close to no value in this call + THERE IS NO VALUE IN BETTING THE TURN, WHY ARE YOU BETTING THE TURN WTF

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YoMeR   United States. Jul 23 2008 00:29. Posts 12438

Villain is 16.5/11.5/3.5 after 1018 hands.

holy fuck raising into this guy pf /w TT is a spew.

eZ Life. 

Cortex408   Australia. Jul 23 2008 01:18. Posts 16

Thanks for the feedback guys,
Is it a fold if he bets turn instead of checking?


n0rthf4ce    United States. Jul 23 2008 02:33. Posts 8119

looks super standard but not vs 16/11

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Cortex408   Australia. Jul 24 2008 04:27. Posts 16

Is this better?

Villain is 18.8/16.5/3
This time I just checked and folded to overcard

Submitted by : Cortex408

***** Hand History for Game 7243769435 *****
$100 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, July 24, 05:22:06 ET 2008
Table Table 163093 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 5: flashyjack ( $137.49 USD )
Seat 6: pmcderm5 ( $30.19 USD )
Seat 1: Cortex408 ( $140.80 USD )
Seat 4: spontjako ( $93.90 USD )
Seat 3: TyCobb777 ( $102.88 USD )
Seat 2: Dr_Chomsky ( $66.68 USD )
TyCobb777 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
spontjako posts big blind [$1 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Cortex408 QhQs
flashyjack calls [$1 USD]
pmcderm5 raises [$3 USD]
Cortex408 calls [$3 USD]
Dr_Chomsky calls [$3 USD]
TyCobb777 raises [$21.50 USD]
spontjako folds
flashyjack folds
pmcderm5 folds
Cortex408 calls [$19 USD]
Dr_Chomsky folds

Flop (Pot : $52.00)

   Ts4d2c
TyCobb777 checks
Cortex408 checks

Turn (Pot : $52.00)

   Ts4d2cAd
TyCobb777 bets [$32.69 USD]
Cortex408 folds
TyCobb777 does not show cards .
TyCobb777 wins $82.09 USD


Twisted    Netherlands. Jul 24 2008 04:36. Posts 10422

Just shove preflop in the last hand. He's squeezing and he could see your shove as a re-squeeze or something.

As played just bet the flop, no need to get fancy.

Hand one I check behind turn and look for a cheap showdown.

 Last edit: 24/07/2008 04:37

Loco   Canada. Jul 24 2008 08:13. Posts 21022

first one is the easiest fold pre flop ever. Are you calling there with deuces? Tens play the same there against such a tight opponent

listen to twisted about the 2nd hand.

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lebowski   Greece. Jul 24 2008 08:24. Posts 9205

actually there are some nits that 3bet with a wider range, like a "raise or fold" strategy
here's where the 3bet pf stat comes in handy imo

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LazyFisH   Australia. Jul 24 2008 09:17. Posts 686

Hand 1 fold pre. Hand 2 you can fold pre also but I think calling is OK. As played bet/fold flop.


bigbb33   Canada. Jul 24 2008 09:30. Posts 3679


  On July 24 2008 03:36 Twisted wrote:
Just shove preflop in the last hand. He's squeezing and he could see your shove as a re-squeeze or something.

As played just bet the flop, no need to get fancy.

Hand one I check behind turn and look for a cheap showdown.



99.9% of players at 100nl and 85% of regulars don't think of squeezing and re-squeezing at 100nl. You are outleveling yourself here.

they see me trollin, they hatin 

TianYuan    Korea (South). Jul 24 2008 09:54. Posts 6817

Eh, QQ played this way, with this action is a super easy ship anyway

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

Cortex408   Australia. Jul 24 2008 15:29. Posts 16

In hand 1 villain 3-bets 7% of the time preflop. How good a hand do I need to call there?


 



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