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Baal Mexico. Jul 22 2008 19:19. Posts 18771 | | |
So you are arguing his semantics?
I mean what he meant was that people should take a 48% to win in the turn if there is money already invested, its an extremely simple concept you are overanalizing it imo. |
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sawseech Canada. Jul 22 2008 20:55. Posts 1763 | | |
a coinflip is fiddy percentage |
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Misjka Netherlands. Jul 22 2008 21:01. Posts 141 | | |
| | On July 22 2008 19:00 Brobebrato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2008 17:50 SpasticInk wrote:
he should have used a better example to explain this concept (someone with a bit less equity than 48 %)
whatever. |
That was my point in first place.
Anyway I'll give you an example to see if i'm the only one thinking this way.
We have 8s9s OTB EFS - 75 BB - EP opens 4xBB - fold to us - we flat - blinds fold.
Flop Ts6s2d - 1st ...EP c-bets 7.5 bb - we raise to 21 bb - he shoves and then he says he has KdKc (not lying etc) - pot odds 101.5 bb to 50bb making us ~48 % winner with close to EV of 1/4th of a full Bi.
Here we have combo draw and we decide to play it fast and raise his standart c-bet. His flop 3bet shove gives us more information and narrows his possible range and defines his hand (let's say 22,66, TT+ - making our EV +~14bb ~ 42% chance of winning) and we decide that's an easy + EV call.
2nd - same hand - but the EP guy shoves directly giving us 80.5 to 71 odds and then he again says only he has KK - this time our EV is ~ 0 BB.
Here he shoves on the flop - donk move to protect his hand which defines it more. He says he has kings, making our call break even in the long run and we fold if we run bad, not willing to take a flipament.
So - same hand, almost the same % of winning the hand(a bit less when he has Ks 2nd one) but two different angles.
Does anyone agree that the coin flip is only in the 2nd example bcuz our EV is =0 ? Or you think a coin flip depends on the % to win the hand and not the EV. I don't care if that's wrong or not, but I'm sure it's a better way to define what's a coin flip - judging by the EV in the situation.
p.s. Nice pic Baal :D haha
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How do you manage to fill my entire 15 inch with a post on a concept as simple as a coinflip with dead money in the pot?
Edit: P.S. this is actually the first time I quote someone without reading his post |
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SemPeR Canada. Jul 22 2008 21:28. Posts 1372 | | | |
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[vital]Myth  United States. Jul 22 2008 22:47. Posts 10708 | | |
wtf?
a "coin flip" refers to the equity when the money goes in. if you have about 50% (heads-up) then it's a coinflip. 43% is probably an acceptable minimum equity to actually call something a coinflip
the action doesn't matter roflmao. even if you get allin preflop with 98ss against KK and the flop is Ts6s2d, now you're in a coinflip
what are you nerds talking about |
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[vital]Myth United States. Jul 22 2008 22:49. Posts 10708 | | |
@ op:
you definitely do not understand what "coin flip" means if you are making these posts. go back and figure it out |
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LandisReed United States. Jul 22 2008 23:33. Posts 131 | | |
another great point proving that poker isn't drying up...this thread is gold |
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PokerDoc88 Australia. Jul 22 2008 23:42. Posts 2904 | | |
mmmmmm i hope the next WSOP winner is a chinaman
he could induce a poker frenzy in china, a country with progressively increasing wealth and 1/6th the world population
the fish would come in droves XD |
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vegable United States. Jul 23 2008 00:03. Posts 1653 | | |
yeah but thats not the problem, the government there have serious restrictions/censorship about this kind of stuff |
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n0rthf4ce United States. Jul 23 2008 01:27. Posts 6495 | | |
| | On July 22 2008 22:47 [vital]Myth wrote:
wtf?
a "coin flip" refers to the equity when the money goes in. if you have about 50% (heads-up) then it's a coinflip. 43% is probably an acceptable minimum equity to actually call something a coinflip
the action doesn't matter roflmao. even if you get allin preflop with 98ss against KK and the flop is Ts6s2d, now you're in a coinflip
what are you nerds talking about |
the real question is, does he have the KING OF SPADES? |
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Repusz Hungary. Jul 23 2008 02:47. Posts 590 | | |
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ahaha :D |
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Funktion Australia. Jul 23 2008 07:41. Posts 207 | | |
Is this really a thread!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!???!??!?!?!?!?
Fuck me HE IS SAYING YOU ARE GETTING 2-1 ON A 50/50 PROPOSITION. MEANING ON A COINFLIP IF I WIN I GET 2 DOLLARS/CHIPS/CAMELS/WHATEVER IF YOU WIN YOU GET 1 DOLLAR. |
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LandisReed United States. Jul 23 2008 08:14. Posts 131 | | |
can 65-35 be considered a coinflip? |
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| | On July 22 2008 23:42 PokerDoc88 wrote:
mmmmmm i hope the next WSOP winner is a chinaman
he could induce a poker frenzy in china, a country with progressively increasing wealth and 1/6th the world population
the fish would come in droves XD |
lololololol |
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Repusz Hungary. Jul 23 2008 11:05. Posts 590 | | |
| | On July 23 2008 08:14 LandisReed wrote:
can 65-35 be considered a coinflip? |
Ultimate resources for this thread, helpful advisor in unveiling all the misteries of the topic including OP:
http://www.flip-coin.com/ |
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Breeze Bulgaria. Jul 23 2008 11:09. Posts 723 | | |
a real bulgarian train
so beautiful
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