River bet or not?

weak/tight player. I know this is almost always player dependent but against a stereotypical weak/tight do you bet this?

Submitted by : JizzleSmitts

PokerStars Game #18958705471: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/20 - 09:25:23 (ET)
Table 'Hidalgo II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PilsBier ($104.05 in chips)
Seat 2: stelli0013 ($59.85 in chips)
Seat 3: JizzleSmitts ($107.70 in chips)
Seat 4: tweetyx ($106.55 in chips)
Seat 5: polskapoker7 ($194 in chips)
Seat 6: xgiovannix ($100 in chips)
polskapoker7: posts small blind $0.50
xgiovannix: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to JizzleSmitts
PilsBier: folds
stelli0013: folds
PilsBier leaves the table
JizzleSmitts : raises $3 to $4
tweetyx: folds
polskapoker7: calls $3.50
xgiovannix: calls $3

Flop (Pot : $12.00)

   
polskapoker7: checks
xgiovannix: checks
JizzleSmitts : bets $8
polskapoker7: calls $8
xgiovannix: folds

Turn (Pot : $28.00)

   
polskapoker7: checks
JizzleSmitts : bets $22
polskapoker7: calls $22

River (Pot : $72.00)

   
polskapoker7: checks

I shove

If he is weak/tight his line is pretty consistent with a draw, and since both str8 and flush got there on the river and he wont likely call you with 88,99 on that river you miss almost no value when you check behind imo.

if he hit his draw he'd probably do something stupid like lead 1/2 pot

i check, i forsee a shove if you bet here just because you were leading on every street and he probably though hed get more value with a c/r then a bet

you also should've bet bigger every street to set up a river shove

flop bet is a little small

river's an ez ship

So which worse hands exactly will call a shove ?
I am normally a pretty agressive player ... but i just cant see which worse hands will ever call "potsize bet"(shove) here ?
U might get value if u make a 1/2 pot sized river bet by 2 pairs or overpairs allthough they are not too likley

If the draw got there u dont lose money when u check
if the draw didnt get there u dont lose much value if u check back.

if u shove u will lose a lot of money vs draws that hit
if u shove u wont get value from most hands that didnt hit

just my point of view on this hand

i remember playing 1 session with this polska kid and he was such a nit every pot he came into i put him on aces, if he makes it until the riv he probably has quads even without the board pairing

knowing this: > he has nothing you bet he folds, we dont gain anything
> you bet he shoves and your forced to make a decision, you probably wont be able to get away from this
> we check and end up getting maximum value if we have the best hand anyways and dont lose anything extra

Shove, u have monster.
I considered small valubet, but I think, most players make decision on turn with 88...

His vpip + the fact he called on sb could make the decision easier, some players hands would be polarized to pocket pairs.

On July 20 2008 10:08 traktor wrote: Shove, u have monster. I considered small valubet, but I think, most players make decision on turn with 88... His vpip + the fact he called on sb could make the decision easier, some players hands would be polarized to pocket pairs.

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most of what u say doesnt make sense to me

Shove, u have monster. ( wtf i think the question is how do we get the most value when ahead ... not how strong is our hand ..)
the fact he called on sb could make the decision easier, ( in which way does this fact make the descision easier towards a shove ?)
some players hands would be polarized to pocket pairs. ( lol)

Weak type players think you always hit every draw that could possibly happen. So he's folding everything on the river except a flush. Therefore you should check behind.

blehhhhhhhh you have like full pot remaining and he either hit his draw or won't call

you can try throwing out like a $14 bet or something to get value from his worse hands, and just fold if he raises. but i typically check here simply because the hands that have been looking you up on the flop/turn are extremely unlikely to look you up on this river. i mean if he doesn't have a flush or 64, then he has 98 which will fold, 7x which is rare, 5x which won't call, 99 and 88 which are somewhat unlikely to call, and very rarely some other pair or 2pair that will call

i usually check here but i would shove if i had bet larger on flop (and therefore larger on turn) and i only had like 2/3 pot left

myth would you recommend 10 on the flop then subsequently 28 on the turn?

and btw for results he had QQ....nit life.

Bet large on flop as people said, and your life becomes a lot easier.

As played, check here is likely best.

I bet it always, if he's a retard there's a decent chance he'll A) make a retard call or B) have a good hand somehow that calls, if he's not a retard then you can't 3 barrel in later hands if you don't fire your sets for on all streets, as it's obv your river shoving range will be just air.

On July 20 2008 22:18 bigbb33 wrote: if he's not a retard then you can't 3 barrel in later hands if you don't fire your sets for on all streets, as it's obv your river shoving range will be just air.

this part just isn't true, nobody pays that much attention

when was the last time you honestly made a note on somebody that said "call his third barrel really light, he doesn't vbet the river thinly enough"

puh-lease. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybe with really sick high-limit players that you are playing with day-in and day-out for months on end, MAYBE. but at low and mid-stakes, not a chance

seriously, try it sometime. just keep doing something that should be extremely transparent to your opponents (like only ever raising postflop as a bluff). you'll see...nobody pays much attention and even if they think they notice something, they have a hard time believing it.