KK hand prob missplayed

Submitted by : Oddeye

Hand #55349828-12 at 130pmArubaFree-07 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 19/Jul/08 13:40:38
totallytilt67 is at seat 0 with 2480
Pocketz99 is at seat 1 with 2475
mattbouldin is at seat 2 with 2495
RJK1027 is at seat 3 with 2405
Mad Skills is at seat 4 with 2485
Hero is at seat 5 with 2580
Lord_Erik is at seat 6 with 2270
FATTY_TORO is at seat 7 with 2605
cypressball is at seat 8 with 2665
BEPb_MHE is at seat 9 with 2540
The button is at seat 0
Pocketz99 posts the small blind of 5
mattbouldin posts the big blind of 10

Holecards(Odds)
totallytilt67: -- --
Pocketz99: -- --
mattbouldin: -- --
RJK1027: -- --
Mad Skills : -- --
Hero :
Lord_Erik: -- --
FATTY_TORO: -- --
cypressball: -- --
BEPb_MHE: -- --

RJK1027 folds
Mad Skills folds
Hero raises to
35
Lord_Erik calls
FATTY_TORO folds
cypressball folds
BEPb_MHE folds
totallytilt67 folds
Pocketz99 folds
mattbouldin folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0)

   
Hero bets 75
Lord_Erik raises to 215
Hero
re-raises to 675
Lord_Erik re-raises to 2110
Hero goes all-in for 2545
Lord_Erik goes all-in for 2235
Hero is returned 310 (uncalled)
Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:
Hero shows
Lord_Erik shows

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $0.00)

   
(no action in this round)

River (Pot : $0.00)

   
(no action in this round)

Showdown
Hero has : two pair, kings and eights
Lord_Erik has : three eights

Summary
No rake is taken for this hand
Lord_Erik wins 4555 with three eights

meh i prob fold to his flop raise, maybe sometimes peel looking for a safe turn. You've definately overplayed your hand here this early in the tour. At the very latest fold to his 4bet. You say u think he plays higher stakes - so he's unlikely to be a random donk, the only hands he puts it allin on that flop this early is prob 77 8x 56s 9Ts (given preflop action + early stage of tour)

Erm ignore the fold to his flop raise bit, that was dumb, i def peel and look to showdown cheap, folding if he looks/bets too strong on turn or riv. Still an easy fold after he raises ur 3bet tho

thanks my friend, I did not like peeling because of multiple barrel opportunities and also A + flush or str.

no way get this in

more replys plzzzz

On July 19 2008 19:30 CrownRoyal wrote: no way get this in

Explain plz. U have 250ish bb, in the very first level (maybe 2nd? but im assuming first). Sure we have reads here that the guy is aggro, but what do u really think goes broke here that KK beats? QQ is practically impossible because of the preflop action, pretty much the same with JJ - though I suppose JJ is possible.

His flop raising range could well be 99-JJ 77 8x T9s 56s AXs + other combo draws like J9s, and even PPs 66 and below, though if we assume the player is decent then this range is surely weighted much more heavily to 77 8x + combo draws after he shoves.

Unless he's already tilted or you've really shown you can be crazy this early in the tour, I doubt 99/TT are committing over the 3bet, and there's a chance many of the combo draws won't at this stage either.

I prefer peeling because he's practically gonna go for pot control with all the hands u beat (except maybe JJ if that's even in his range here), and it's an easy fold if he carries on betting strong once scarecards come.

I'd like to know your thought process on the easy shippings if you wouldn't mind!

you're either getting it in on the flop or getting it in on a safe turn after his initial raise which is gay.

don't fold overpairs in mtt and for that much rarely fold tptk

Wtf thats just stupid. Later in the tournament sure, or in low level donkaments, but im assuming this is some kind of supernova freeroll to aruba? Might be wrong and it is some small stakes thing.

is this even a sat or is it a sat to the sat

On July 20 2008 15:20 Nuros wrote: Wtf thats just stupid. Later in the tournament sure, or in low level donkaments, but im assuming this is some kind of supernova freeroll to aruba? Might be wrong and it is some small stakes thing.

correct, I am so bad I did not even notice we were that deep T_T 250bb im not going broke cash game lol, but he does all those bluff/semibluff. The guys play NL5k or something like that.

Also I won a pot vs him a few hand before, I 3bet him and he call then cbet and he fold. Me and him were the one involved in the most pot early game, dunno if he picked hands.

so like what stakes are this? I still don't know. in any case, ship it.

this would probably be 500$+ stakes, even if it is a freeroll

don't listen to anyone saying you should get this in

you shouldn't even get this in in a cash game with these stacks

call the flop raise, lead the turn if it's not a spade for like 2/3 pot. if he raises again it's an easy fold. if he calls you have a pretty standard 1/2 pot vbet on river.

calling the flop and checking the turn planning to call once, or possibly fold if he bets more than 2/3 pot, is also fine but meh i like to lead

On July 21 2008 14:50 [vital]Myth wrote: don't listen to anyone saying you should get this in you shouldn't even get this in in a cash game with these stacks call the flop raise, lead the turn if it's not a spade for like 2/3 pot. if he raises again it's an easy fold. if he calls you have a pretty standard 1/2 pot vbet on river. calling the flop and checking the turn planning to call once, or possibly fold if he bets more than 2/3 pot, is also fine but meh i like to lead

finally!

nah def. don't want to get this in w/ these stacks. I call flopa nd probably just c/c down, if turn checks I vbet/fold river.

On July 21 2008 14:50 [vital]Myth wrote: don't listen to anyone saying you should get this in you shouldn't even get this in in a cash game with these stacks call the flop raise, lead the turn if it's not a spade for like 2/3 pot. if he raises again it's an easy fold. if he calls you have a pretty standard 1/2 pot vbet on river. calling the flop and checking the turn planning to call once, or possibly fold if he bets more than 2/3 pot, is also fine but meh i like to lead

this makes so much more sense than anything i could formulate

i have this problem with donkbetting and never use it but it's beautiful in this instance you make poker look ez wtf

well written post myth.

listen to myth.

getting it in here on this flop is very very bad unless you have a very specific read. What exactly are you expecting to call a shove that's worse than your hand here?

^ what he said