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lol your avatar in 2+2 looks like annette15 doing some rapshit

I just finished reading your book ...good advice sir

"Don't you ever squeeze AQ or JJ or TT unless you are going to call a shove/shove
over a 4bet. You are actually throwing money onto an ignited grill if you do this." - I never thought about that and i now see this is a hole in my game

On July 19 2008 03:56 ChromaX wrote: I just finished reading your book ...good advice sir "Don't you ever squeeze AQ or JJ or TT unless you are going to call a shove/shove over a 4bet. You are actually throwing money onto an ignited grill if you do this." - I never thought about that and i now see this is a hole in my game

Thanks for the book.
Do you think you can explain this a little more?

very awesome guide, i enjoyed it

On July 19 2008 09:52 goodguysm wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2008 03:56 ChromaX wrote: I just finished reading your book ...good advice sir "Don't you ever squeeze AQ or JJ or TT unless you are going to call a shove/shove over a 4bet. You are actually throwing money onto an ignited grill if you do this." - I never thought about that and i now see this is a hole in my game Thanks for the book. Do you think you can explain this a little more?

Because you are throwing away the postflop value of the hand by turning it into a bluff obv.

I just finished reading your book. It was great. Thank you.

However, I didn't fully understand double barreling Kxx boards. Let's say you cbet K86r flop. Turn is J-A. Is it bad to fire a second barrel here?

link doesn't work for me;/
can any1 upload it somewhere else?
thx yo

ryanfee.com

On August 11 2008 13:07 hockey4433 wrote: ryanfee.com

wtf u bump to post something that is already posted -_-

its prolly rnballsack

On August 11 2008 14:47 FrinkX wrote: its prolly rnballsack

rofl

On July 19 2008 10:15 SakiSaki wrote: Show nested quote + On July 19 2008 09:52 goodguysm wrote:   On July 19 2008 03:56 ChromaX wrote: I just finished reading your book ...good advice sir "Don't you ever squeeze AQ or JJ or TT unless you are going to call a shove/shove over a 4bet. You are actually throwing money onto an ignited grill if you do this." - I never thought about that and i now see this is a hole in my game Thanks for the book. Do you think you can explain this a little more? Because you are throwing away the postflop value of the hand by turning it into a bluff obv.

turning a hand that is already somewhat good into a bluff is totally fine if your bluff has huge success but your call has moderate success

sometimes you just can't do shit by flatting so you gotta just bluff with a hand that is somewhat fine anyway. ryan's advice hinges on the assumption that there isn't an extreme gap between your opponents' opening hands and their shoving hands. consider the following:

fullring game, utg+2 is a somewhat loose opener but extreme nit against 3bets (or, at least, he's a nit against YOUR squeezes because he thinks [for whatever reason] that you're a nit). 3 people call and they are all very straightforward weak fish who would have 3bet with their monsters. you're in the SB with AQo. AQo is only marginally better than 72o if you flat, but a squeeze with any hand is going to show monster profit

so you squeeze with AQ (or JJ or TT) with absolutely no intention of getting it in against the original raiser, but possibly rarely getting it in against one of the random fish callers if he has like 50bb and decides to shove (since you are pretty sure he doesn't have AK or JJ+ from the start)

it's extremely important to turn hands that have decent hu strength into bluffs to prevent massively multiway flops in fullring, especially when you're in the blinds. but in those spots you are squeeze bluffing with pretty much any 2 assuming you have a tight image.

On July 19 2008 11:19 RockingBastard wrote: I just finished reading your book. It was great. Thank you. However, I didn't fully understand double barreling Kxx boards. Let's say you cbet K86r flop. Turn is J-A. Is it bad to fire a second barrel here?

always depends on tons of stuff. sometimes it can be bad to cbet a Kxx board in the first place. sometimes it's great to cbet but horrible to double barrel. sometimes it's great to cbet AND double barrel. finally, sometimes it's good to triple barrel.

just depends on preflop range, flop calling range, turn calling range, river calling range, the run-out of the board texture, and opponent's bluffing frequency. and ALL of this stuff (except the board texture) depends on your history, the pot size, the exact ranks of "x" and "x", the drawiness of the board, the cards in your hand (because they can eliminate some of the cards in his range), etc.

by FAR the best thing to think about is not a list of questions like

"how do i play ace high flops?"
"how do i play an ace on the turn when the flop is low?"
"how do i play coordinated boards oop?"

etc.

it's EXTREMELY superior to ask yourself, instead

"what are the dependencies of the answers to all my questions?"

because the answer is ALWAYS

"opponent(s)' possible responses to your action, his/their range(s) for each response, and your possible re-response, in addition to the rest of the cards that can land"

which means you should focus on improving your reads, both of narrow and of wide ranges. for instance, if you can't tell which fish are much more likely to have middle cards than high cards, and vice versa, then you need to focus on that read more. because when you know the answer to that question, you can cbet the flop with nearly 100% success (or check with nearly 100% correctness)

Can anyone help me out with a particular part of this guide Ryan wrote ?? I was reading on page 16 where he says that you should swueeze a lot when you can IP and obviously lessen it OOP (which I totally understand) but beneath that part he says that it's not a good idea to just fire a c-bet in 3-bet pots unless you are planning on shoving or c/r'ing the turn or the villain will always fold his air here and him calling/shoving will mean you are always beat.

Now I find this part very confusing (as it already says in the guide) and was also wondering if this particuarly applies when you squeezed and got called being IP or OOP or maybe even both.

Can someone please give me some more information on that ??

nice bump, I completely missed this thread back when it started. I like the book a lot, thanks ryan.

side note:
myth for president 2012

Very solid read!

solid advice myth regarding squeezing with medium-strength hands