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200nl 200bb deep tough spot PF w/ AKs

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Siro   Australia. Jul 10 2008 21:23. Posts 1540

call 3 bet and play poker?


royalsu   Canada. Jul 10 2008 21:34. Posts 3233

marshall...why always stick it in preflop? Play some postflop poker geeze!

honestly I flat AK 200bb deep oop. The hand is super easy to play against a tight 11/10 guy...his range is so narrow and we won't get much anyways when he misses.


royalsu   Canada. Jul 10 2008 21:38. Posts 3233

4b with a plan plz...it's almost like you're saying to yourself "i have AK the preflop nuts so i 4b...oh shit...he 5b...i guess i don't have the nuts...maybe i'll fold the nuts this time...fuck it...I beat nothing in his range but AK is the nuts and I have balls."


SakiSaki    Sweden. Jul 10 2008 21:40. Posts 9687

You need to know how nits and fish react to agressive/retarded plays. In general I find they dont adjust their preflop ranges to get it in sorta light 200bbs deep, the wait for premiums to play back with and station you with any part of the flop otherwise.

I think calling the 3-bet is way superior to 4-betting yes.

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MARSHALL28   United States. Jul 10 2008 23:30. Posts 1904

royalsu, yeah youre right, thx for calling me out on that. i didnt make the play cuz i "have balls" ... i really felt like this scenario was very rare and that i should most likely be getting it in because of the dynamic. i did get it in, i suppose i just asked the question wrong, i should have been asking is 4bet/getting it in superior to flatting his 3bet given the dynamic.

saki, yeah i think i agree flatting def is much better, thx.


TimDawg    United States. Jul 11 2008 00:18. Posts 10197

WTF LOOOLOLOOOLOLOLLL

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Jul 11 2008 03:27. Posts 7292

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  On July 11 2008 02:27 JonnyCosMo wrote:



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royalsu   Canada. Jul 11 2008 10:36. Posts 3233

btw mathematically you are breaking even if he shoves QQ+ AK. Take out AK and you're fucked. Take out QQ and you dribble a little bit of money.


TalentedTom    Canada. Jul 11 2008 11:10. Posts 20070

if the 5's vs QJ happened 1 orbit prioir, what hand did button double up with to get to 200bb? did he steamshove some random hand or something or did he cooler someone? i'd scan through the HH and make a descion based on that

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Fraser   Canada. Jul 11 2008 11:29. Posts 4605

Tom i don't think villain in hand 2 is the same villain from hand 1.


TalentedTom    Canada. Jul 11 2008 12:23. Posts 20070

in that case - just shove it, f it

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FrinkX   United States. Jul 11 2008 13:02. Posts 7562

ur freerolling $200 of ur stack so ur only rly shoving 100bb and u'd obviously get that in with AK

so ship it freeroll life

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ggplz   Sweden. Jul 11 2008 13:06. Posts 16784

hahah

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MARSHALL28   United States. Jul 11 2008 14:35. Posts 1904


  On July 11 2008 12:02 FrinkX wrote:
ur freerolling $200 of ur stack so ur only rly shoving 100bb and u'd obviously get that in with AK

so ship it freeroll life



by this argument, im basically always freerolling and should never consider not shoving.


TalentedTom    Canada. Jul 11 2008 17:29. Posts 20070

I think that shoving QJ in that spot for 100bb is much worse than shoving AKs here for 200bb

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TimDawg    United States. Jul 11 2008 17:48. Posts 10197


  On July 11 2008 16:29 TalentedTom wrote:
I think that shoving QJ in that spot for 100bb is much worse than shoving AKs here for 200bb

qffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

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MARSHALL28   United States. Jul 11 2008 19:30. Posts 1904


  On July 11 2008 16:29 TalentedTom wrote:
I think that shoving QJ in that spot for 100bb is much worse than shoving AKs here for 200bb



wow, surprised u think that.... i wish i knew how to do an equity calculation ... pretty sure it has to be +ev w/ dead money vs his range


royalsu   Canada. Jul 11 2008 22:59. Posts 3233

i misread the QJ hand the first time around. I thought you reshoved over the preflop raiser. It's actually not that bad now that I think of it. The overcaller has a medium pair most of the time so we're flipping.


lebowski   Greece. Jul 12 2008 02:28. Posts 9205

yea the QJ hand doesn't look bad

new shit has come to light... a-and... shit! man... 

 
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