Edjon: QQ vs Loose passive villain

Submitted by : Edjon

** Hand # 2087011480 starting - 2008-07-10 01:17:14
** Long Trip Home [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
pokerjon82 sitting in seat 1 with $93.38
sportvarg sitting in seat 2 with $54.98
shiny sitting in seat 3 with $92.61
flyinghat sitting in seat 4 with $149.27[Dealer]
Hero sitting in seat 5 with $341.46
ReDDcaFFe sitting in seat 6 with $99.00
Hero posted the small blind - $0.50
ReDDcaFFe posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing cards to Hero :,
pokerjon82 called - $1.00
sportvarg folded
shiny folded
flyinghat called - $1.00
Hero raised to $6.50
ReDDcaFFe folded
pokerjon82 called - $6.50
flyinghat folded
** Dealing the flop:,,
Hero bet - $12.00
pokerjon82 called - $12.00

Turn (Pot : $26.00)


Hero checked
pokerjon82 bet - $25.00

um, 29vpip 9pfr and 0 and 7 stand for check/folding all 7 hands@flop?

tbh i'd rather bet(24 looks good)/fold turn to raise , 7 hands is by no means a sample to base conclusions on how hed play AJ/KJ

sorry made a typo. I meant 0.7 over 200 hands

Why do you check turn?

Q9 (you got the blokcers), 97, everything else is a cooler
get it in asap

JT 22 88 are also pretty likely imho, and getting in on turn against a loose passive station who suddenly shows aggression is not neccessary imho. Bet/fold turn, or bet turn/vbet most rivers, but as played I call and probably consider folding to a second barrel, a 0.7 AF station won't double barrel with worse imho.

It's pretty important to bet/fold the turn here for 2 main reasons. Firstly you get value from a huge part of his range that now has a draw to go with a pair; and secondly it allows you to escape the hand more often when you are beat, which it's nearly impossible to do if you check/call.

The reason I checked is because of his passiveness. My assumption here is that a passive players will not play his draw aggressively here. Moreover, the tendency of most passive players, when holding AJ, KJ, QJ is to bet around 15 instead of a pot bet. A bet of 15 I would have snapcalled. So I believe that more than 80% of the times he has a hand that beats me, whether it is a set, 2 pair, or straight.

bet/call Check/RAise, open shove. whatever just get it in.

On July 10 2008 06:35 Edjon wrote: So I believe that more than 80% of the times he has a hand that beats me, whether it is a set, 2 pair, or straight.

With that read its obviously a fold.

Your reasoning for checking are terrible though. He is LOOSE PASSIVE, and you have an overpair.


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wtf are you doing bet every street



wtf

bet/fold turn

On July 10 2008 06:35 Edjon wrote: The reason I checked is because of his passiveness. My assumption here is that a passive players will not play his draw aggressively here. Moreover, the tendency of most passive players, when holding AJ, KJ, QJ is to bet around 15 instead of a pot bet. A bet of 15 I would have snapcalled. So I believe that more than 80% of the times he has a hand that beats me, whether it is a set, 2 pair, or straight.

But his passiveness should be the reason to bet . Checking turn is good only if u know he will bet with worse hands (draw, bluffs..), when he´s agressive, and then u want to check/raise - which isnt this case.

lol

pot / pot / shove

Btw as played fold seems fine, potbet from passive player looks very strong.

I know that I defeat a loose passive villain's range normally with my overpair. An extra reason for checking the turn is that he insta called my flop bet.
I believe that bet sizes and its tendencies are a good way to get information about the strenght of these rather uncomplicated players.
As said before, loose passive player normally dont pot bet AJ/KJ/QJ in this situation and will check or half pot bet a draw (in which case I can choose to shove or call).
That's why his pot bet leans towards a fold for me (which I actually did).
For the players who say: pot/pot/shove or something in that direction: how would you continue after his pot bet?

well edjon, i think with this hand and this player i either bet/bet/bet call shove on every street or bet/c-r shove turn.

He will do this with aj and every draw aswell

On July 10 2008 07:57 TalentedTom wrote: wtf are you doing bet every street wtf

You already explained how to play the hand. He is passive. passive players flat marginal and then raise when they wake up with a big hand. AJ isn't a big hand tp, it is a flat calling hand all streets with passive. SO you bet, bet, bet, Depending on how much is left behind on river you are forced to call any raise usually but that isn't the point because more often he will just flat with top pair.

that is like the best turn ever to pot

yeah bet turn prob fold to raise bc he's nit