Nightly hundo exit - ugh

Sorry, got the tourney confused; this is a 10$ rebuy

Submitted by : obender

PokerStars Game #18591825792: Tournament #93876055, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVIII (2500/5000) - 2008/07/05 - 01:11:28 (ET)
Table '93876055 172' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: caiimeron (83130 in chips)
Seat 2: DocHR (75776 in chips)
Seat 4: TurkeyFeet (136102 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (46356 in chips)
Seat 6: Vikings2005 (125706 in chips)
Seat 7: JohnPatriots (43592 in chips)
Seat 8: u neverknow4 (200821 in chips)
Seat 9: DeepUpEnya (69559 in chips)
caiimeron: posts the ante 500
DocHR: posts the ante 500
TurkeyFeet: posts the ante 500
Hero : posts the ante 500
Vikings2005: posts the ante 500
JohnPatriots: posts the ante 500
u neverknow4: posts the ante 500
DeepUpEnya: posts the ante 500
Vikings2005: posts small blind 2500
JohnPatriots: posts big blind 5000

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
u neverknow4: folds
DeepUpEnya: folds
caiimeron: folds
DocHR: folds
TurkeyFeet: raises 10000 to 15000
Hero : calls 15000
Vikings2005: folds
JohnPatriots: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $41,500.00)

   
TurkeyFeet: bets 15000
Hero : raises 15856 to 30856 and is all-in
chefpat1976 is connected
TurkeyFeet: calls 15856

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $103,212.00)

   

River (Pot : $103,212.00)

   

Showdown
TurkeyFeet: shows (a straight, Nine to King)
Hero : shows (two pair, Aces and Queens)
TurkeyFeet collected 103212 from pot

Summary
Total pot 103212 | Rake 0
Board  
Seat 1: caiimeron folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: DocHR folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TurkeyFeet showed and won (103212) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 5: Hero (button) showed and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 6: Vikings2005 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: JohnPatriots (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: u neverknow4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: DeepUpEnya folded before Flop (didn't bet)

just get it in pre, hes already committed.

I do shove about 90% of the time in this situation

what made me lean towards call was bigstack in SB who might call or squeeze

less than 10 bb's .. shove pre to that raise..

bigstack isn't going to squeeze/call any hands that he isn't calling your shove with.

You guys a bit results oriented ? I think is play is ok, i'd agree with you if he was in EP or MP but on the button is pretty nice, sb and bb will never squeeze with marginal hands considering his stack and he has position on villain who will 100% cbet any flop. Stop and Go is perfect here imo to insure a full double up. I think that hand is 100% standard and too bad villain flopped the nuts but what can you do ?

On July 05 2008 06:34 Sheitan wrote: You guys a bit results oriented ? I think is play is ok, i'd agree with you if he was in EP or MP but on the button is pretty nice, sb and bb will never squeeze with marginal hands considering his stack and he has position on villain who will 100% cbet any flop. Stop and Go is perfect here imo to insure a full double up. I think that hand is 100% standard and too bad villain flopped the nuts but what can you do ?

If you think this hand is 100% standard then you need to learn some things about tournaments and stack sizes.

also, this isn't a stop and go. A stop and go is when you are oop, call and shove any flop.

Jamming pre is best bc even tho you think you are getting a cbet 100% and 'always' doubling through its just not true. There will be flops that he just c/f's to you because obv. you are gonna be committed after calling 40% of your stack pre. If you jam pre he is going to have to call.

I like doing this with like 15-20 bbs though.

We all have to learn about poker every day Red, but i'd like to have your point about this, a big stack is on the co and raises and we assume he has a very wide stealing range. Now let's say we shove and he calls, that's what we want obv, but what if he's stealing and fold to the push ? If we flat here and he gets a piece of the flop we can get extra chips, we are shoving any flops anyway no matter what.

Also if we assume he's on a pure steal, he'll be folding a fair amount of the time to a shove while allowing him to see a flop might be much more profitable. And i don't agree with you when you say he's committed, 30k chips is more than 25% of his stack and if we have been playing pretty tight he could easily find a fold. I think that kind of play is more profitable because we are in a co vs button situation and we assume his range is wide.

I don't hate this line, if you do, please explain me why

sheitan - even if he is "stealing" he should be calling due to pot odds alone given that he has to call 30k to win a bunch.. if we had 15bb or something with a bit of fold equity we can flat but he shouldn't be folding any of his steal range since it will have decent equity against or range of what consists like A8+, KJ+, and pairs.

opponent is never raise/folding 3 bbs and folding for 6 more, plus the dead money from blinds/antes.

46k to call in a 72500 pot, so he's getting 1,57 to 1, these are not great odds and more than 25% of his stack is on the line. I'd think twice before calling someone given odds with KTs imo. If he was getting more than 2 to 1 i agree that would be an automatic call, it would also be automatic if you suspect a resteal or if we have been very active or doing the same thing a couple of time. Do you guys think 1,57 to 1 is a snapcall with KTs ?

On July 05 2008 15:36 Sheitan wrote: 46k to call in a 72500 pot, so he's getting 1,57 to 1, these are not great odds and more than 25% of his stack is on the line. I'd think twice before calling someone given odds with KTs imo. If he was getting more than 2 to 1 i agree that would be an automatic call, it would also be automatic if you suspect a resteal or if we have been very active or doing the same thing a couple of time. Do you guys think 1,57 to 1 is a snapcall with KTs ?

ty for letting me know i can reshove 9 bbs over ur 3 bb opens and u will fold a suited K loool

If you've been playing tight i'd sure toss KTs in a heart beat

fwiw echo, mig and blake all agree with me. But keep folding.

Like these guys have a clue about donkaments poker ! Owning a bracelet doesn't mean they know what they're talking about PFFFFFFFF

On July 05 2008 19:40 BigRed0000 wrote: fwiw echo, mig and blake all agree with me. But keep folding.

echo, mig and blake all busto from day 1 of the easiest tournament of the year. fail.

lol this commentary is so dumb.

listen to bigred and trey and everyone else, and just sick it in when he's never folding anything

throw in the fact that its the 11r and its the easiest shove in history

I busted the last 2 times I slowrolled AA pf

On July 05 2008 15:36 Sheitan wrote: 46k to call in a 72500 pot, so he's getting 1,57 to 1, these are not great odds and more than 25% of his stack is on the line. I'd think twice before calling someone given odds with KTs imo. If he was getting more than 2 to 1 i agree that would be an automatic call, it would also be automatic if you suspect a resteal or if we have been very active or doing the same thing a couple of time. Do you guys think 1,57 to 1 is a snapcall with KTs ?

This is completely wrong. 500 chip antes x 8 = 4k, +15k raise + your 15k + 5k bb = 39000 + your raise of 30856 = 69856 pot, 30,856 to call = over 2 to 1.