100nl, deep AJ in pos

villain is a reg i play alot with him. im not after him or anything but if i have pos on him ill try to outplay him and stuff but nothing crazy. dont know how he views me. he runs 21/14/4
so this hand happens
Submitted by : piratematerial

PokerStars Game #18516919050: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/01 - 19:06:01 (ET)
Table 'Spitzer' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: thegame2006 ($126.10 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerhaasje ($104.50 in chips)
Seat 3: billy3211 ($119.35 in chips)
Seat 4: alainlapaire ($306.60 in chips)
Seat 5: dapapst ($108 in chips)
billy3211: posts small blind $0.50
alainlapaire: posts big blind $1

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to pokerhaasje
dapapst: folds
thegame2006: folds
pokerhaasje : raises $3 to $4
billy3211: folds
alainlapaire: raises $11 to $15
pokerhaasje : calls $11

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $30.50)

   
alainlapaire: bets $19
pokerhaasje : calls $19

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $68.50)

   
alainlapaire: checks
pokerhaasje : bets $32
alainlapaire: raises $240.60 to $272.60 and is all-in
pokerhaasje : calls $38.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($202.10) returned to alainlapaire

River (Pot : $209.50)

   

Showdown
alainlapaire: shows (two pair, Eights and Threes)
pokerhaasje : shows (two pair, Nines and Threes)
pokerhaasje collected $207.50 from pot

Summary
Total pot $209.50 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: thegame2006 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: pokerhaasje (button) showed and won ($207.50) with two pair, Nines and Threes
Seat 3: billy3211 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: alainlapaire (big blind) showed and lost with two pair, Eights and Threes
Seat 5: dapapst folded before Flop (didn't bet)

im hoping this isn't the right hand?

and the exact hand after... this happens. what is my best move here?

Submitted by : piratematerial

PokerStars Game #18516949549: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/07/01 - 19:07:28 (ET)
Table 'Spitzer' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: thegame2006 ($126.10 in chips)
Seat 2: pokerhaasje ($207.50 in chips)
Seat 3: billy3211 ($118.85 in chips)
Seat 4: alainlapaire ($202.10 in chips)
Seat 5: dapapst ($108 in chips)
alainlapaire: posts small blind $0.50
dapapst: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to pokerhaasje
thegame2006: folds
pokerhaasje : raises $3 to $4
billy3211: folds
ftrev joins the table at seat #6
alainlapaire: raises $12 to $16
dapapst: folds
pokerhaasje : calls $12

Flop (Pot : $33.00)

   
alainlapaire: bets $22
pokerhaasje : calls $22

Turn (Pot : $77.00)

   
alainlapaire: bets $70

no sorry asdf needed some time posting them both

I wouldn't call pre.

having called pre, it's too late to fold, so don't be a pussy.

the 99 hand seems fine

well
given history insta push the turn

obv fold pre as asdf said but after seeing the previous hand, there's no way im considering folding tptk in a rr'd pot against an opponent who could possibly be on tilt

i'd flat turn and snapcall a shove on any river

I like flatting aswell.

I haven't played him in a while, and his game might have changed but the alainlapaire that I know rarely multi barrels a bluff. In fact, I can't remember ever seeing him triple barrel bluff. I guess he might be on tilt from the last hand, but I find it hard to believe that this particular villain would double barrel this turn being this deep without a hand that has us crushed. Since we have Ac, he can't even have backdoored a flush draw with AcKc. In fact, I think the history of what happened the hand before with the mid pair would make it more unlikely that this villain plays a midpair this aggressively again. call me a pussy but being this deep and with my read on this villain, I'm folding this turn, even as played.

just flat call

the problem in this hand is that they both are 200BB deep...i like flat calling

why would he be on tilt after a perfectly normal hand?

i rly dont expect a solid player to run a big bluff after getting stacked the previous hand and would be inclined to fold the turn

I'd fold too, but I think it's better to fold pf.

Ez fold pre imho, he won't stack off with a dominated hand, so you have to flop very well and have him get in 200+ BB which will rarely happen with AJo. You have no idea where you stand on the flop and get into this exact spot. I fold turn and curse myself for the illogical decisions I made throughtout the hand.

shove turn, he might be oin tilt

On July 02 2008 13:44 p-halt wrote: shove turn, he might be oin tilt

If he is on a tilt its better to jut call turn in case of getting more money on the river. In this scenario I would fold turn, but I would fold pre flop.

i hope I'm not the only one who thinks a fold in the first hand is the better play. And I usually check back the turn because we beat AK and 88...not much else.

and i don't like the call pre in hand 2. AJo is too hard to play for value 200bb deep. As played just fold, find a better spot. Regs tilt sometimes but I'd just rather not mess with them unless I see them tilt a lot.

yea obv first hand is a fold because you're not doing well against his range at all, alainpaire is such nit, unless he had been playing back at you a lot and 3betting liek a whore which i doubt so because i see him 3betting very rarely

fold pf, this hand explains why, u hit a jackpot flop and u still have no idea what to do cuz ur deep