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Baal   Mexico. Jul 01 2008 01:02. Posts 18771

Submitted by : Baal

PokerStars Game #18482862827: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/06/30 - 09:25:25 (ET)
Table 'Thia' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: PHELLMUTH112 ($694.10 in chips)
Seat 3: DJV384 ($584.05 in chips)
Seat 4: nepats66 ($302.20 in chips)
Seat 5: needfood ($658.15 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($1447.35 in chips)
needfood: posts small blind $3
Hero : posts big blind $6
Hyi_Vam: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero 4d4h
PHELLMUTH112: folds
DJV384: raises $12 to $18
nepats66: calls $18
needfood: calls $15
Hero : calls $12

Flop (Pot : $72.00)

   8s9s4s
needfood: checks
Hero : checks
DJV384: bets $51
nepats66: calls $51
needfood: raises $60 to $111
Hero : calls $111
DJV384: folds
nepats66: folds

Turn (Pot : $396.00)

   8s9s4sQs
needfood: bets $136
Hero : calls $136

River (Pot : $668.00)

   8s9s4sQsAc
needfood: bets $393.15 and is all-in
Hero : folds
Uncalled bet ($393.15) returned to needfood
needfood collected $666 from pot
needfood: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $668 | Rake $2
Board  8s9s4sQsAc
Seat 2: PHELLMUTH112 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: DJV384 folded on the Flop
Seat 4: nepats66 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: needfood (small blind) collected ($666)
Seat 6: Hero (big blind) folded on the River



Well i tried to CR this flop obv cuz DJV is very aggressive (30/24) and definitelly c-bets often and stacks off somewhat light plus there was the fishy half stack that could make a dumb move.

The thing is Needfood which is a somewhat competent regular mini-raised this shit... his range is really strong here that i cant shove profitable against him imo, he never has the AsXx raising so little. i decided to flat call this because im in position but i didnt love it either with the half stack to act, he has enough to re-open the betting if he shoves and he would force me to dump those $100.

On the turn well, i get direct odds for a fullhouse and it really really looks like he flopped the nut flush, river well duh.



So do you simply pitch this flop even in position? any toughts?

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Pokemyface   Australia. Jul 01 2008 06:56. Posts 652

ummm get it in on the flop?

Live, and let live. 

n0rthf4ce    United States. Jul 01 2008 07:01. Posts 6495

the goal of the small c/r is most likely to induce a shove from the shortstack. you can tell he is not afraid of a turn so i think on the flop he really can only have the nut flush. i like how u played this.

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pinbaLL    Sweden. Jul 01 2008 07:47. Posts 6427

looks standard

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PoorUser    United States. Jul 01 2008 08:31. Posts 5709

seems pretty awful imo, the only reason you even got to see a river was because the turn was a spade

Moneys gotta go in here 

Baal   Mexico. Jul 01 2008 09:00. Posts 18771

interesting, clashing toughts... so you think i should fold flop? .... our hand doesnt do go vs Needfood's raise, and his calling range to a shove here absolutely destroys us

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Rekrul   United States. Jul 01 2008 10:21. Posts 2815

i think you should just write a blog about your whole poker career and why and how you play so different from most people and why it works

that would be cool, man

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Rekrul   United States. Jul 01 2008 10:45. Posts 2815

against most players my standard would be to flat and shove any spade turn but hmmm, that looks pretty nutty on the turn so i'd just call i guess

against some players you can fold on the flop

against players like needfood you can just get it in on the flop

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sOah   United Kingdom. Jul 01 2008 11:56. Posts 4512


  On July 01 2008 10:21 Rekrul wrote:
i think you should just write a blog about your whole poker career and why and how you play so different from most people and why it works

that would be cool, man



this

you play so different.. and it works.. people will wanna read it.. it would be cool..

not all who wander are lost 

ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. Jul 01 2008 17:51. Posts 3661

against players like needfood you can prob fold flop more like. what a gigantic nit

I never worry about action, only inaction 

tomson    Poland. Jul 01 2008 18:27. Posts 1484

Pretty easy fold on the flop.

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Baal   Mexico. Jul 01 2008 22:05. Posts 18771


  On July 01 2008 10:21 Rekrul wrote:
i think you should just write a blog about your whole poker career and why and how you play so different from most people and why it works

that would be cool, man



LOL, isnt there another topic besides me in the sauna or something?


back on hand, i percieve NeedFood as a nit but who finds stupid spots to spew (kind of like PiS.ToTo, but not as spewy) i would insta-get it all in if it were a heads-up put against him but his line is too weird, i didnt think about semiblufing a spade turn, sounds interesting but i really dont think he is underbetting the spade turn to fold to a shove, it looks like the flopped nut flush, and i think its confirmed on the river.

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Rekrul   United States. Jul 02 2008 11:18. Posts 2815

i think he plays differently from everyone else, and it works, cause he has 67o

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Baal   Mexico. Jul 04 2008 19:02. Posts 18771


  On July 02 2008 11:18 Rekrul wrote:
i think he plays differently from everyone else, and it works, cause he has 67o



u used to give advice in a trollish way, not u just troll... good work.

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Rekrul   United States. Jul 05 2008 09:58. Posts 2815

you used to be less annoying when you knew you sucked at poker, the small amount of poker low stakes fish have donated you has made you a faggot

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TimDawg   United States. Jul 05 2008 16:38. Posts 6320

LOL

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

Baal   Mexico. Jul 06 2008 13:44. Posts 18771


  On July 05 2008 09:58 Rekrul wrote:
you used to be less annoying when you knew you sucked at poker, the small amount of poker low stakes fish have donated you has made you a faggot



No seriously.... Rekrul saying poker has turned somebody else into a faggot... LOL

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Stygg   Sweden. Jul 06 2008 16:52. Posts 1625

Rek you have been a "faggot" for way longer than anyone on LP/TL and you've gotten away with it because you're Rekrul and you know it. Personally even though I have nothing against you I would have banned your ass long ago cause you're 90% trolling when you post.


Rekrul   United States. Jul 06 2008 17:18. Posts 2815

i'm just a monster and i bring the laughs, don't know what either of you kids are talking about

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Baal   Mexico. Jul 07 2008 01:22. Posts 18771

Really? no ego boost than were u aiming to be a factory worker?, personally i dont mind Dan i do think he is funny and i actually did laughed when he mocked me first in this thread i just tought his second attempt was lame and annoying if he isnt even helping in the hand, oh and i do play very different a a quick glimpse to my PT stats would make u realise that instantly and i also think it would be interesting for many people arround my stakes and lower, obviously not you, same as your story in poker wouldnt be interesting to Ivey but would be to me.

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Rekrul   United States. Jul 07 2008 01:33. Posts 2815

not really, i was always a pretty cocky fag

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goodguysm   United States. Jul 08 2008 01:13. Posts 923

not when you constantly got raped by the koreans in bw lololol


gororokgororok   Netherlands. Jul 08 2008 05:02. Posts 429

Rekrul looks like a nerd irl anyway so be happy for him he made a way to get rich in another way. Personally I find him very amusing.


decafchicken   . Jul 08 2008 09:02. Posts 531


  On July 08 2008 05:02 gororokgororok wrote:
Rekrul looks like a nerd irl anyway


not really :/


Med.Stud   Sweden. Jul 09 2008 02:52. Posts 64

When I look at this hand, I somehow feel that: Either you should push flop or you should fold, if you think you are behind often enough not to make the push +EV.
(of course, I am a swedish agg. disaster and would push this 95% of the time )

I would instashove flop everyday of the week unless you are absolutely sure that your reasoning/read is correct: If you are correct he can only hold overset or the flush, and you are behind either way!

Your flopcall represent a strong flushdraw or combodraw and thus, he is not likely to bluff you on later streets if the flush hits the table (at least not two streets).
Thus, you can be rather certain that he either flopped the nuts or hit it on turn and you should accordingly call turn and fold river.

 Last edit: 09/07/2008 02:52

Baal   Mexico. Jul 09 2008 08:50. Posts 18771

This is not about my image, i play arround 32/24 so thats not the issue, rather than NeedFood plays nitty and transparent and his raise ammount with a shortstack in looks like he wants the money in and probably isnt afraid of a turn.

In the past i saw needfood spewing in random spots, but lately ive been making a couple of speculative calldowns to see what he has and he has me beat every time and he plays with his hand on his forehead, now that i have that info i think its a FOLD on the flop, however when this hand happened i didnt have that strong read.

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SpoR   United States. Jul 11 2008 16:21. Posts 517

70% beat on the flop, 80% beat on the turn, 100% beat on the river.



I pulled these numbers out of my ass but they are correct, you can check my work.

Hack To The FutureLast edit: 11/07/2008 16:22

pinbaLL    Sweden. Jul 11 2008 17:56. Posts 6427


  On July 01 2008 10:45 Rekrul wrote:
against most players my standard would be to flat and shove any spade turn but hmmm, that looks pretty nutty on the turn so i'd just call i guess

against some players you can fold on the flop

against players like needfood you can just get it in on the flop



well against most players of REKRULS STANDARD u CHOULD SHECK FOOOOOOOOOOOLD


GODDAMN NUTJOB

call or fold flop damn u

AND DONT FUCKING SHOVE TURN

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JEM87   United States. Jul 16 2008 10:52. Posts 49

fold flop please...you're actually just hoping he has AsXx here and with the line you took you don't even get money out of that because he'll check behind any nonspade turn because there's no way you'd ever fold to a bet.


 




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