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25nl - Monster Draw: How much to raise?

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SemPeR   Canada. Jun 28 2008 01:33. Posts 2288

Ran pretty bad at 50nl, down like 8bi and about 80% of that is just the difference between my Allin Lines. %_%
Moving down to rebuild for the time being.

Pretty simple hand I think, but I have a lot of trouble playing draws.

PF: I opened up my stealing range/lowered betsize because of how the table is working out. A9s from the co is good enough imo since:

Richi211 has been running 85/30/1.5 for the last hour or so, down like 4.5bi. Play is erratic. Limps strong hands, minraise/shoves trash and the nuts. Everyone else is running like <18 and camping this guy.

Flop: How much do we raise here? At the high end we have like 20 outs; there's a good chance some of our straight cards/diamonds aren't good. Not all of our outs are clean, etc.

What I'm really wondering is, is shoving here appropriate? Do you think I might lose value against either the tag or the loose retard? At minimum the stacks are going in for a flip. =s

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jase   Australia. Jun 28 2008 01:47. Posts 1604

the check-call from foxik doesnt mean much to me here, i think with a set on this board he's looking to get you out of the pot and just play vs the lagtard

the minraise from richi could be anything, top pair, 2pair etc, i'm putting in a big raise here to either take it down or get it in w/ richi because you have so much equity vs his range here

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BigRed0000    United States. Jun 28 2008 02:38. Posts 3554

go all in.


skindzer   Chile. Jun 28 2008 03:21. Posts 299


  On June 28 2008 01:38 BigRed0000 wrote:
go all in.


traxamillion   United States. Jun 28 2008 03:42. Posts 10468

you have the nuts make a big pot


ck20   . Jun 28 2008 06:08. Posts 1130

MINRAIZE! xD


SemPeR   Canada. Jun 28 2008 08:42. Posts 2288

So we're not worried at all about losing any value? Shove's good?


znb   Hungary. Jun 28 2008 12:39. Posts 351


  On June 28 2008 05:08 ck20 wrote:
MINRAIZE! xD



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I usually play NL1000, but accidentally misclicked. 

CrownRoyal   United States. Jun 28 2008 16:03. Posts 11386

we're way too deep to go allin? i'd raise enough to leave richi or whatever his name is room to make a shove with fold equity so like 11 dollars or something.

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skindzer   Chile. Jun 28 2008 16:41. Posts 299


  On June 28 2008 15:03 CrownRoyal wrote:
we're way too deep to go allin? i'd raise enough to leave richi or whatever his name is room to make a shove with fold equity so like 11 dollars or something.



11 dollars is too little.

If you want to go for value ill still put something like 15 +/-

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Elastopete   . Jun 28 2008 17:59. Posts 3

Raise to about 9.95$ because there's good chance to call both opponents and make the pot bigger than u push and richi call and foxik fold..


SemPeR   Canada. Jun 28 2008 23:37. Posts 2288

Hmmm, I went 16 and thought it was a bit low. Tag shoved and we ended up getting more in on the flop.

On June 28 2008 01:38 BigRed0000 wrote:
go all in.


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Elastopete   . Jun 29 2008 01:56. Posts 3

it's not good call of foxiks allin, u should push, if u push on this flop it's +EV but not on this turn.


SemPeR   Canada. Jun 29 2008 15:35. Posts 2288


  On June 29 2008 00:56 Elastopete wrote:
it's not good call of foxiks allin, u should push, if u push on this flop it's +EV but not on this turn.



can't raise foxik's allin.


CrownRoyal   United States. Jun 29 2008 22:40. Posts 11386

yeah i see no reason to shove the turn.

i'd just c/c the turn and c/f the riv if i missed, sometimes he'll just check it down with a really good hand and save you 21 dollars and if you hit we're obv shoving....

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SemPeR   Canada. Jun 30 2008 00:47. Posts 2288


  On June 29 2008 21:40 CrownRoyal wrote:
yeah i see no reason to shove the turn.

i'd just c/c the turn and c/f the riv if i missed, sometimes he'll just check it down with a really good hand and save you 21 dollars and if you hit we're obv shoving....



really good point there. Ugh. lol. I have shit equity vs his range on the turn.
Wow what a retarded spew. >_<


 



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