NL10 OOP 4BI Deep v Deep Maniac v Shortstack

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kaisr Canada. Jun 27 2008 21:07. Posts 133

Submitted by : kaisr

PokerStars Game #18430016648: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/06/27 - 23:29:39 (ET)
Table Ampella IV 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ventrasp ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($42.95 in chips)
Seat 3: Mordors ($34.70 in chips)
Seat 4: doggin420 ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 5: andredepaula ($4.60 in chips)
Seat 6: stylusepson ($15.85 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $0.05
Mordors: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
doggin420: raises $0.20 to $0.30
andredepaula: folds
stylusepson: folds
ventrasp: folds
Hero : calls $0.25
Mordors: raises $0.70 to $1
doggin420: calls $0.70
Hero : calls $0.70

Flop (Pot : $3.00)

Hero : bets $2
Mordors: calls $2
doggin420: calls $2

Turn (Pot : $9.00)

Hero : ?

Once again, I don't have poker tracker but the deep maniac raises like 40% of hands and plays more than 50% of pots, he 3 bets extremely light and calls 3 bets extremely light (Just a couple of hands ago he called 3 bet with 23 and hit a FH on the flop stacking off vs AA). No real info on the shortsack, but I decided to flat the maniac's RR because im ahead there an enormous % of the time, but didn't reraise because I'm so deep (I do not know if this is flawed reasoning).

Anyways I donkbet with the nuts because maniac calls me light all the time and gives me 0 respect, the main problem is the shortstack calling as well. Because of the weird preflop action and also being OOP and very deep, what would the best line of action be?

Edit: I just noticed that the "shortstack" wasn't actually a true shortstack, he probably bought in full and lost a pot without reloading. Not sure if this matters.

Last edit: 27/06/2008 21:41

n0rthf4ce

United States. Jun 27 2008 21:43. Posts 6291

bet/3bet allin, its 5cent 10cent. u got the nuts bro.

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United States. Jun 28 2008 00:16. Posts 10343

bet bet bet bet get it in

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roflcopter United States. Jun 28 2008 10:12. Posts 412

shove and celebrate obv

KwarK_uK: and if that was a bluff you deserved the pot for ballerness

GameOverNoob Canada. Jun 28 2008 10:21. Posts 466

bet 7.5, hope for call call, ne non heart riv, vb ai or 16.25

celebrate at an 8bi pot

Equity Avenging FTW

SpasticInk Sweden. Jun 28 2008 10:21. Posts 1591

shove?

what.. one of the opponents have 37 dollars.

just keep betting here.

kaisr Canada. Jun 28 2008 11:04. Posts 133

So even on such a board that can't really hit any of their ranges except overpairs (would probably reraise if this was the case) and flush draws, I should keep barrelling?

Not to be result oriented, but what happened in the hand was I bet $5 on the turn, maniac folded, shortstack goes AI for 0.2$ more, I call and suck out a 4 on the river and he shows K7hh (wtf).

Last edit: 28/06/2008 11:06

Muhweli Finland. Jun 29 2008 01:38. Posts 9558

Considering that you weren't the preflop reraiser and you have relative position on him, checkraising doesn't seem bad either (as their 3-betting range is generally very thin - unless he's a nutjob). Checking to preflop reraiser and letting him bet will get the third guy in too and you'll get more money in with the nuts before you have to worry about anything. They'll call with the flush draw no matter what, but the more you get in before they hit the better it is.

I'd bet here on turn too obviously.

Everytime you minraise, God kills a fish.

Last edit: 29/06/2008 01:40

SemPeR Canada. Jun 29 2008 14:38. Posts 1349

I'll go ahead and nitpick for a second here: I think if you're going to donkbet and expect to be called, might as well go pot (or more T_T).

I played I lead turn.

kaisr Canada. Jun 29 2008 15:05. Posts 133

Thanks everyone, and I agree, check raising here would be much better on the flop because even though the maniac will snap call with any 2 overcards (or pretty much anything), he will also probably cbet this.

Sheitan Canada. Jun 29 2008 16:39. Posts 3240

Yup check/raise flop and get it in