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JonnyCosMo   United States. Jun 28 2008 04:00. Posts 7292


  On June 28 2008 02:44 BigRed0000 wrote:
its as simple as...

if you think he will call with worse, jam.

If you think he never calls with anything worse, call.

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SakiSaki    Sweden. Jun 28 2008 07:15. Posts 9687

Well its more like, if 50% of the hands he calls with are worse then shove.

what wackass site is this nigga?  

blackice781   United States. Jul 11 2008 21:42. Posts 11

Horrible shove IMO Pav.

I think you're a decent player though


blackice781   United States. Jul 11 2008 21:43. Posts 11


  On June 28 2008 02:16 gawdawaful wrote:
He tilts like no other, but I dont really have much thats constructive in this particular hand... he definitely calls any pp here pf given that its 2bi deep, hell he calls all pps even if it wasnt I think



Lol.

Where've you been lately gawdawful?

 Last edit: 11/07/2008 21:45

Baalim   Mexico. Jul 11 2008 22:02. Posts 34312

He said he had a large PF range and being 200bb deep it might be even larger tbh i probably flat, against a tighty i shove

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gawdawaful   Canada. Jul 12 2008 05:34. Posts 9015


  On July 11 2008 20:43 blackice781 wrote:
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Lol.

Where've you been lately gawdawful?


At your moms house doing the macarena

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[vital]Myth    United States. Jul 12 2008 14:58. Posts 12159


  On June 28 2008 06:15 SakiSaki wrote:
Well its more like, if 50% of the hands he calls with are worse then shove.

thank you

glad somebody gets it

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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 12 2008 15:03. Posts 34312


  On July 12 2008 13:58 [vital]Myth wrote:
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thank you

glad somebody gets it


dont we all?

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[vital]Myth    United States. Jul 12 2008 15:06. Posts 12159

almost all of his pair+gutshot hands on the flop (like 86s) would check/raise and get it in, i would think. that's how most loose monkeys at these stakes play anyway

so he has 76ss, 76hh, 66, or a set or 2pair.

therefore, since he isn't bet/folding 2pair or a set, you need to be value shoving here.

unless he doesn't bet the river with 2pair or a set, in which case it's a fold

for anyone saying to flat-call...do you really think you're bluff-catching that often? because if you think he's bet/folding a set or 2pair i think you're insane

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[vital]Myth    United States. Jul 12 2008 15:10. Posts 12159

for anyone possibly still confused, if his range of hands that bets the river is...

(1a) 2pair, set, 6x, extremely rare bluff ... then we value shove
(1b) 2pair, set, 6x, extremely rare bluff **BUT** 2pair and set will bet/fold ... then we flat call (but i think this is extremely unlikely)
(2) 6x, extremely rare bluff ... then we fold
(3) 6x, 25%+ bluffs ... then we flat
(4) 2pair, set, 6x, and 25%+ bluffs ... then we value shove

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUserLast edit: 12/07/2008 15:11

Baalim   Mexico. Jul 12 2008 15:31. Posts 34312

do u think he calls a shove with 2 pair?

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Baalim   Mexico. Jul 12 2008 15:32. Posts 34312

i mean, i mean not to give much credit to fish but 2 pair of even a set its a bluff catcher since we not shoving worse for value ever.

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blackice781   United States. Jul 13 2008 07:25. Posts 11


  On July 12 2008 14:32 Baal wrote:
i mean, i mean not to give much credit to fish but 2 pair of even a set its a bluff catcher since we not shoving worse for value ever.



whoa, whoa, careful who you're calling a fish.


tloapc   Pitcairn. Jul 13 2008 07:41. Posts 2591

ya he's pro dontchaknow

I can tell just by his 6 posts he is retarded enough to have a 6 here so I'd just call


*edit*
went back through and didn't read Myths post til just now

it's not so much bluff catching imo as if I shove I'm only getting looked up by some stupid 6x hand and at best a set that he called with since we are deep that I'm sure he figures it's worth it oop

and this c/c on flop and lead on rvr line looks much more like 6x > bluff > set > two pair to me
just think the shove is thin is all - u could do it though
and no way could I fold, I'm to dumb for that

The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action.Last edit: 13/07/2008 08:15

tloapc   Pitcairn. Jul 13 2008 07:44. Posts 2591

and btw, u didn't hit the set til rvr

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blackice781   United States. Jul 16 2008 23:01. Posts 11


  On July 13 2008 06:41 tloapc wrote:
ya he's pro dontchaknow

I can tell just by his 6 posts he is retarded enough to have a 6 here so I'd just call


*edit*
went back through and didn't read Myths post til just now

it's not so much bluff catching imo as if I shove I'm only getting looked up by some stupid 6x hand and at best a set that he called with since we are deep that I'm sure he figures it's worth it oop

and this c/c on flop and lead on rvr line looks much more like 6x > bluff > set > two pair to me
just think the shove is thin is all - u could do it though
and no way could I fold, I'm to dumb for that



lmao whoever made posting a lot on a stupid forum a prerequisite for being good?

you're obviously an ignorant idiot.


Baalim   Mexico. Jul 16 2008 23:13. Posts 34312


  On July 13 2008 06:25 blackice781 wrote:
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whoa, whoa, careful who you're calling a fish.


HU?

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vegable   United States. Jul 17 2008 06:02. Posts 2453

DING DING DING

Stir fry Normandy 

blackice781   United States. Jul 20 2008 11:39. Posts 11


  On July 16 2008 22:13 Baal wrote:
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HU?



sure, name stakes and a time


n0rthf4ce    United States. Jul 20 2008 11:49. Posts 8119


  On July 13 2008 06:25 blackice781 wrote:
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whoa, whoa, careful who you're calling a fish.


HU?

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