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freehatch United States. Jun 25 2008 18:20. Posts 95

I just started playing about 2 weeks ago. I started with $50, and am down to $27. The first few days were beak even, but the last week has been a train wreck. Here is some of my info:

Total position stats from start:

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After I lost a decent amount, I tightend up a bit. Here are my stats over the last couple days.
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Graph of above time period:
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The tighter I got, the more money I lost.. I am losing it mostly to All-in situations. I've been reading these forums and 2+2 everyday, and making adjustments to my style, but I can't seem to find the winning formula.

Some all ins:

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Were these just silly for me to pursue? Based on what I have read, I need to be more aggressive, does that mean play more hands? Push more often, with more more money? Right now I play less than 20% of my cards. Any input would be appreciated.

Edit: images acting funny, trying to fix..

TeCh)PsylO

Last edit: 25/06/2008 19:16

terrybunny19240 United States. Jun 25 2008 18:42. Posts 13829

Go use the hand converter real quick, its the button with the spade on it right about the text box you type replies/topics into.

Yaffie United Kingdom. Jun 25 2008 19:29. Posts 672

looks like you have some major issues with your style. you need to loosen up, be more agressive and stop limping preflop - and thats just for the very very starters

freehatch United States. Jun 25 2008 19:37. Posts 95

On June 25 2008 18:29 Yaffie wrote:
looks like you have some major issues with your style. you need to loosen up, be more agressive and stop limping preflop - and thats just for the very very starters

Thanks for the feedback, so should I be betting preflop every hand I decide to play? I tend to late position, but middle position I like to see a cheap flop. Is there more value in pushing? Could someone who has had success at micro stakes show there stats?

TeCh)PsylO

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thestoryteller Singapore. Jun 25 2008 21:25. Posts 319

NL2 stats when I started (you shouldn't follow them, but there is some good advice given by more experienced players): http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=425575

NL2 stats after I applied the advice: http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=432864

Limping with small PPs is not so bad at NL2 as you do get massive implied odds, so I suppose your PFR won't be all that close to your VPIP yet. However, I still think you can raise more. I'd raise 99 in mid position for sure instead of limping. I probably wouldn't limp Axs hands unless I had better pot odds. Check out the basic guide in the articles section for details (and for a very good PF guide). Personally, I'd 3 bet with queens but if the guy before me 3 bet, I would fold queens.

Start with the PF guide in the article, then loosen up slowly as you start getting comfortable.

SemPeR Canada. Jun 25 2008 22:26. Posts 2288

You can beat this limit playing 6/5/infinity. Raising 5%. Inf is your AR = Aggression Factor.

Hand 1 I raise PF because it's 99, but there's nothing wrong with limping these either. Definitely a cooler.

Hand 2/3: Learn not to open limp. Learn not to minraise. Those are two of the biggest mistakes you can make.

ahk88 United States. Jun 25 2008 22:36. Posts 635

On June 25 2008 21:26 SemPeR wrote:
You can beat this limit playing 6/5/infinity. Raising 5%. Inf is your AR = Aggression Factor.

Hand 1 I raise PF because it's 99, but there's nothing wrong with limping these either. Definitely a cooler.

Hand 2/3: Learn not to open limp. Learn not to minraise. Those are two of the biggest mistakes you can make.

freehatch United States. Jun 26 2008 07:24. Posts 95

Thanks for the advice guys. I filtered out my hands by pre-flop raise and saw a pretty clear correlation with winning money. Here are some pocket queens. Raise on flop? Re-raise on turn?
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TeCh)PsylO

PokerDoc88 Australia. Jun 26 2008 07:41. Posts 3527

errrr why do you raise a bettor with QQ on an ace high board...call/fold, keep pot small

thestoryteller Singapore. Jun 26 2008 08:05. Posts 319

If you are the PF raiser, bet the flop (check out some articles on cbetting, or continuation betting). If you do not hold an overpair (like in this case) then after your flop bet, just fold to any further action. This is because a lot of people who call your bet will have top pair, and since the top possible pair is higher than your pocket pair, your hand isn't very strong.

freehatch United States. Jun 26 2008 20:27. Posts 95

Thanks for the advice guys. Here are todays stats(very small sample- long day of work... )

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More successful run, but most of my winnings came from one hand. I have alot of trouble with over/high pairs. Example:

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TeCh)PsylO

Oxy Canada. Jun 26 2008 21:25. Posts 2293

In this case, ftfft limped preflop, and now he's check/raising vs. the preflop raiser and a flatcaller on a relatively safe board. Even though he's very short, it's likely he has you beat with 66, 99, A9 or maybe even A6.

this shit is OBSURD

freehatch United States. Jun 26 2008 21:42. Posts 95

I folded. Sgerda77 called with ATo and ftfftf took the pot with AKo.

TeCh)PsylO

androidmetro United States. Jun 27 2008 01:01. Posts 140

Stats are worthless at this level, you can win playing nit style or crazy lag style.

Your goal is to win, which you are failing to do. Stop c-betting every flop, never slowplay, and don't be afraid to bet when you feel weak.

Good day.

thestoryteller Singapore. Jun 27 2008 02:00. Posts 319

I wouldn't even play ATs in MP at NL2. I can almost guarantee a huge number of callers behind you, and then even if you pair your ace, you'll be stuck out of position with a hand that loses to top pair higher kicker and practically everything else. And don't forget to stick to the 4bb+1/limper PF raise formula. You can win as a nit or a lag, but nit is easier to learn, so I'd say stick to nit.