50nl - TT on a low flop

Vill is 17/12/5/83
This hand was awhile ago, but I'm pretty sure he's a little bluffy. Kinda standard pf/flop aggrodonk for this stake, shuts down after turn.

I flat flop because he's relatively tight pf/I don't want to get overcommitted vs a set, but I'm thinking the best option would be raise/fold this flop?

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Hand 2 if anyone's bored. =s

I asked Profane about this earlier and we agreed at the time that checking turn is probably best, but I'm not sure anymore. T_T

If he's minraise-bluffing the river, wouldn't showing weakness by checking make the pot harder to control? He could easily try another pot, and my reads on these limp/passive type players are never very strong. Unpredictable fish.
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I raise this flop on hand one.

Hand two i don't like leading out turn after he's raised me. I'd rather just shove flop then calling/leading turn.

On June 25 2008 17:03 Fox wrote: Hand two i don't like leading out turn after he's raised me. I'd rather just shove flop then calling/leading turn.

Hmm..you know better than I do how to play this limit, but shoving flop with an overpair to the board against a loose-passive's minraise is not a line I'm used to taking at all.

Could you maybe explain a bit more about why this is a good line to take? His range is probably really wide on the flop, but when we overshove, he's rarely calling with a draw (or maybe not?), and most of the hands he minraises+calls a shove with probably beat us (trash 2p type hands, sets, etc?). I think when players like this call off their stack, they're much lighter than when they shove/call a shove.

Should I be checking turn / calling a small bet here + on the river though?

I'd raise to 12 and get it in there, or if he flats get it in on a non ace/heart turn.

Really don't like your play on hand 2, I fold or get it in on the flop: if you think he has enough hands you beat you get it in, otherwise fold, both are viable as a minraise from 1.5 aggression guys on that flop is usually two pair or a set, and if not a pair + gutshot or FD which you are flipping against. I honestly probably fold flop in hand 2, your equity just sucks. If you feel otherwise you should come over his flop minraise strong and get it in there. Once you just call I have no idea what to do on the K turn, but it's really either bet/call or c/f, depending again on whether you think enough draws are in his range vs made hands.

Hmmm hand 1 I'd reraise the flop to 13 or 14. I'd raise the flop to something like 12 in hand 2 to induce a shove.

Ofc all this depends, and if I think villain has a set I'll just play for pot control, but those boards are really wet.

On June 26 2008 00:07 SemPeR wrote: Show nested quote + On June 25 2008 17:03 Fox wrote: Hand two i don't like leading out turn after he's raised me. I'd rather just shove flop then calling/leading turn. Hmm..you know better than I do how to play this limit, but shoving flop with an overpair to the board against a loose-passive's minraise is not a line I'm used to taking at all. Could you maybe explain a bit more about why this is a good line to take? His range is probably really wide on the flop, but when we overshove, he's rarely calling with a draw (or maybe not?), and most of the hands he minraises+calls a shove with probably beat us (trash 2p type hands, sets, etc?). I think when players like this call off their stack, they're much lighter than when they shove/call a shove. Should I be checking turn / calling a small bet here + on the river though?

what i'm trying to say is that you probably don't want to be leading on the turn IF you choose to call the flop.

At these limits that miniraise means strength or faking strength. The problem is with your hand is say he has something like KQ or QJs or something.. you're giving him a turn to draw out on you. Leading on the turn turns your hand into a bluff imo. For sure he's gonna call with a diamond draw on the flop. Heck at these limits people probably are raising with A7 as the nuts. Yeah he could be doing this with a set, but you have to choose. You can't fire out on that turn... i mean i don't like firing any turn to be honest... i mean you'd probably want something like 5c not a Ks for sure. Also for him he could think something like 99 is the nuts. At NL50 people really make easy mistakes like that sometimes and with his stats just get your money in and if you lose then whatever.

Just plugging in into pokerstove you are ahead if his range includes straight, flush, sets, two pairs, overpairs (lower then your JJ).

On June 25 2008 17:03 Fox wrote: I raise this flop on hand one vs a player with 5 agression factor all day eaz ! flatting is terrible imo

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