25/50 flush draw in tough spot

Dont have much history with LumbermanTed, started playin on stars few weeks ago
U propably know him better than me
he looks tag (20/15/7)

my image is tight aggresive

I raised shortstack so my hand looks strong, but he still called behind...
what type of hands is he calling here ? for me its hard to put him on a hand here
IMO he raises 22, 33 here

what about turn ? check/fold?
spewy play ?

Submitted by : Soprano

POKERSTARS GAME #18328248015: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($25/$50) - 2008/06/23 - 11:02:36 (ET)
Table 'Klio II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: LumbermanTed ($4925 in chips)
Seat 2: sweetluvin7 ($7514 in chips)
Seat 5: liran9 ($1323 in chips)
Seat 7: ADZ124 ($8388 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($5000 in chips)
Seat 9: ktrieu ($7341 in chips)
sweetluvin7: posts small blind $25
liran9: posts big blind $50
nanonoko: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
ADZ124: folds
Hero : raises $100 to $150
ktrieu: calls $150
LumbermanTed: calls $150
sweetluvin7: folds
liran9: calls $100

Flop (Pot : $625.00)

   
liran9: bets $400
Hero : raises $700 to $1100
ktrieu: folds
LumbermanTed: calls $1100
liran9: folds

Turn (Pot : $3,225.00)

   
Hero : bets $3750 and is all-in

i think he has a set near always, maybe now and then i guess he could have kq or Axcc

eh, quote instead of edit

wow can raising the Flop in this specific situation like ever be better than calling?

I would flat this flop because you represent a much bigger range by flatting then reraising, which will give you better leverge on other streets.

I disagree casinocasino... by calling you maybe represent a weaker broader range... wouldnt you raise KJ+ for value here?

Although I think I prefer calling flop a little bit more than raising.

Nope

you want to have a larger range of strong + weak hands then a polarized range of just strong hands to become harder to exploit.

On June 23 2008 17:25 casinocasino wrote: a polarized range of just strong hands

Do you understand CasinoCasino, thats more to the point, do you understand?

no

why would he raise 22 or 33 there?

A POLARIZED RANGE OF STRONG HANDS

LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WHERE DO THESE KIDS COME UP WITH THIS TRASH

I am so far ahead of my competition that I just do not care. ]

+ they are so lost they are trying to educate me.

edit: done with thread

turn shove seems pretty bad

raising and calling flop areboth viable although nowadays calling seems the more standard of the two. when he calls 1100 I think Ax clubs is a big part of his range and he won't fold the turn since he paired. The other part of this range is sets and he doesnt fold those anyhow so it's become impossible to get him off his hand.

looks fine

u know raising flop was right because when the shortstack folds its pretty obvious he was just donkbetting.

Treat lumbermanTed as an unknown if thats what he is to u, no reason to give him respect enough for being a winning regular. I wouldn't give him credit for thinking that you're strong just because ur raising a shortstacker, so I would include KQo, and K9s-KJs in his calling range with a small chance of some worse cards. I also dont see unknowns generally being tricky enough to be slowplaying sets on flushdraw boards. Its still a close spot, but I think he'll show up with and fold a weak king 30% of the time.

Line looks good to me unless you normally play for pot control with AK on a wet board like this. I am guessing villian flat called your preflop raise with a set since you posted this. So did you hit club or no?

On June 23 2008 10:49 Soprano wrote: I raised shortstack so my hand looks strong, but he still called behind...

what the hell does this mean?

i do not think that you have much FE on this turn. sure he may have KQ but i'd say the bulk of his range is sets/nut flush draw

On June 24 2008 15:29 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2008 10:49 Soprano wrote: I raised shortstack so my hand looks strong, but he still called behind... what the hell does this mean?

? The shortstack lead on the flop, he raised him and another guy cold called him.

If the shortstack goes all-in re-raising won't be possible. It's a question whether the guy that cold called understands that and wants to play it cheap w/ small clubs or KJ or he thinks he will be able to rr and has a monster.

On June 24 2008 15:29 Jamie217 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 23 2008 10:49 Soprano wrote: I raised shortstack so my hand looks strong, but he still called behind... what the hell does this mean?

it means that he has a hand that has showdown value and its apparent to everyone in the hand

isnt this an easy c/f turn, i don't get why this should be a tough spot

On June 24 2008 16:02 tomson wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2008 15:29 Jamie217 wrote:   On June 23 2008 10:49 Soprano wrote: I raised shortstack so my hand looks strong, but he still called behind... what the hell does this mean? ? The shortstack lead on the flop, he raised him and another guy cold called him. If the shortstack goes all-in re-raising won't be possible. It's a question whether the guy that cold called understands that and wants to play it cheap w/ small clubs or KJ or he thinks he will be able to rr and has a monster.

ooooooo hes talking about the shortstack... lol reading comprehension is no good today

after like 50seconds he folded and I won a pot

thx for comments