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Soprano   Poland. Jun 23 2008 11:49. Posts 627

Dont have much history with LumbermanTed, started playin on stars few weeks ago
U propably know him better than me
he looks tag (20/15/7)

my image is tight aggresive

I raised shortstack so my hand looks strong, but he still called behind...
what type of hands is he calling here ? for me its hard to put him on a hand here
IMO he raises 22, 33 here

what about turn ? check/fold?
spewy play ?

Submitted by : Soprano

POKERSTARS GAME #18328248015: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($25/$50) - 2008/06/23 - 11:02:36 (ET)
Table 'Klio II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: LumbermanTed ($4925 in chips)
Seat 2: sweetluvin7 ($7514 in chips)
Seat 5: liran9 ($1323 in chips)
Seat 7: ADZ124 ($8388 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($5000 in chips)
Seat 9: ktrieu ($7341 in chips)
sweetluvin7: posts small blind $25
liran9: posts big blind $50
nanonoko: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Hero Jc9c
ADZ124: folds
Hero : raises $100 to $150
ktrieu: calls $150
LumbermanTed: calls $150
sweetluvin7: folds
liran9: calls $100

Flop (Pot : $625.00)

   3cKc2h
liran9: bets $400
Hero : raises $700 to $1100
ktrieu: folds
LumbermanTed: calls $1100
liran9: folds

Turn (Pot : $3,225.00)

   3cKc2hAh
Hero : bets $3750 and is all-in

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 Last edit: 23/06/2008 13:37

PoorUser    United States. Jun 23 2008 13:29. Posts 7472

i think he has a set near always, maybe now and then i guess he could have kq or Axcc

Gambler EmeritusLast edit: 23/06/2008 13:31

Soprano   Poland. Jun 23 2008 13:35. Posts 627

eh, quote instead of edit

 Last edit: 23/06/2008 13:37

skwigggg   Denmark. Jun 23 2008 15:29. Posts 34

wow can raising the Flop in this specific situation like ever be better than calling?


casinocasino   Canada. Jun 23 2008 16:16. Posts 3347

I would flat this flop because you represent a much bigger range by flatting then reraising, which will give you better leverge on other streets.


Zanjong   Afghanistan. Jun 23 2008 17:31. Posts 3076

I disagree casinocasino... by calling you maybe represent a weaker broader range... wouldnt you raise KJ+ for value here?

Although I think I prefer calling flop a little bit more than raising.


casinocasino   Canada. Jun 23 2008 18:14. Posts 3347

Nope

 Last edit: 23/06/2008 18:17

casinocasino   Canada. Jun 23 2008 18:25. Posts 3347

you want to have a larger range of strong + weak hands then a polarized range of just strong hands to become harder to exploit.


Fraser   Canada. Jun 23 2008 19:01. Posts 4605


  On June 23 2008 17:25 casinocasino wrote:
a polarized range of just strong hands


Do you understand CasinoCasino, thats more to the point, do you understand?


casinocasino   Canada. Jun 23 2008 19:07. Posts 3347

no


locoo   Peru. Jun 23 2008 20:22. Posts 4566

why would he raise 22 or 33 there?

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

Rekrul   United States. Jun 23 2008 23:13. Posts 3338

A POLARIZED RANGE OF STRONG HANDS

LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL WHERE DO THESE KIDS COME UP WITH THIS TRASH

LOvEDoM says: ALL IN WAR 

casinocasino   Canada. Jun 24 2008 00:17. Posts 3347

I am so far ahead of my competition that I just do not care. ]

 Last edit: 24/06/2008 00:36

casinocasino   Canada. Jun 24 2008 00:40. Posts 3347

+ they are so lost they are trying to educate me.

edit: done with thread

 Last edit: 24/06/2008 00:46

Fayth    Canada. Jun 24 2008 11:41. Posts 10085

turn shove seems pretty bad

Im not sure what to do tomorrow when I see her, should I shake her hand?? -Floofy 

Nazgul    Netherlands. Jun 24 2008 14:27. Posts 7080

raising and calling flop areboth viable although nowadays calling seems the more standard of the two. when he calls 1100 I think Ax clubs is a big part of his range and he won't fold the turn since he paired. The other part of this range is sets and he doesnt fold those anyhow so it's become impossible to get him off his hand.

You almost twin-caracked his AK - JonnyCosmoLast edit: 24/06/2008 14:57

NMcNasty    United States. Jun 24 2008 15:10. Posts 2041

looks fine

u know raising flop was right because when the shortstack folds its pretty obvious he was just donkbetting.

Treat lumbermanTed as an unknown if thats what he is to u, no reason to give him respect enough for being a winning regular. I wouldn't give him credit for thinking that you're strong just because ur raising a shortstacker, so I would include KQo, and K9s-KJs in his calling range with a small chance of some worse cards. I also dont see unknowns generally being tricky enough to be slowplaying sets on flushdraw boards. Its still a close spot, but I think he'll show up with and fold a weak king 30% of the time.

 Last edit: 24/06/2008 15:16

ukfan81   United States. Jun 24 2008 15:47. Posts 139

Line looks good to me unless you normally play for pot control with AK on a wet board like this. I am guessing villian flat called your preflop raise with a set since you posted this. So did you hit club or no?


Jamie217   Canada. Jun 24 2008 16:29. Posts 4351


  On June 23 2008 10:49 Soprano wrote:
I raised shortstack so my hand looks strong, but he still called behind...



what the hell does this mean?


mdom   United States. Jun 24 2008 16:41. Posts 94

i do not think that you have much FE on this turn. sure he may have KQ but i'd say the bulk of his range is sets/nut flush draw


tomson    Poland. Jun 24 2008 17:02. Posts 1982


  On June 24 2008 15:29 Jamie217 wrote:
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what the hell does this mean?

? The shortstack lead on the flop, he raised him and another guy cold called him.

If the shortstack goes all-in re-raising won't be possible. It's a question whether the guy that cold called understands that and wants to play it cheap w/ small clubs or KJ or he thinks he will be able to rr and has a monster.

Peace of mind cant be bought.Last edit: 24/06/2008 21:03

PoorUser    United States. Jun 24 2008 18:55. Posts 7472


  On June 24 2008 15:29 Jamie217 wrote:
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what the hell does this mean?

it means that he has a hand that has showdown value and its apparent to everyone in the hand

Gambler Emeritus 

locoo   Peru. Jun 25 2008 14:19. Posts 4566

isnt this an easy c/f turn, i don't get why this should be a tough spot

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

Jamie217   Canada. Jun 25 2008 14:34. Posts 4351


  On June 24 2008 16:02 tomson wrote:
Show nested quote +


? The shortstack lead on the flop, he raised him and another guy cold called him.

If the shortstack goes all-in re-raising won't be possible. It's a question whether the guy that cold called understands that and wants to play it cheap w/ small clubs or KJ or he thinks he will be able to rr and has a monster.



ooooooo hes talking about the shortstack... lol reading comprehension is no good today


Soprano   Poland. Jun 27 2008 01:48. Posts 627

after like 50seconds he folded and I won a pot

thx for comments


 



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