[nonSD] leak? what could it be!

Hey all,

Graph for the last 4 months:


PT stats:


I think something is wrong here cuz im still obv losing money in non showdown pots despite prior adjustments based on my other post here

DustySwedeDude thinks i need to tripple barrel more or something when they're weak instead of checking down like turned second pair or w/e.

Some reasons i can think of why this could happen:
1. Going for showdown/pot control style and showing down hands more often instead of 'spew' tripple barreling TPMK or turning medium-weak hands into bluffs.
2. Flatting too losely vs pfr or giving up too often instead of reraising PF or reraising cbets and trying to take pots down.
3. Not 3betting as often or 4betting bluffing as often as i used to (based on games i play now.. light 3 betting doesnt happen as often)
4. Opening too light pf and not being able to continue a lot postflop (WTF 3 barrel crush niggas?)
5. Not turning made hands into bluffs where they're often not good enough to showdown..?

Idk, open to more suggestions. I'm gonna post on some other forums too probably.

Anyone else had this 'problem' before? Did u fix it?

Cheers,

David.

edit: added pt stats

Would be interesting to see pt stats for a more clear picture of your game.

I think the most likely reason is that you are to passive postflop though.

added

you really dont like defending blinds

what on earth changed at 150k hands?!?!?

+FaZi says:
ure vip relate ure ure pfr
+FaZi says:
is not high enough
+FaZi says:
whats the point of playing 21/18
+FaZi says:
better to play like 24/18
+FaZi says:
or 21/15-16
+FaZi says:
if u do that u will instantly win more money
dav says:
heh
dav says:
yeah
dav says:
when i play less tables
dav says:
i play a lot looser
dav says:
like
dav says:
26/22/5 or like 30/25/5 or something
+FaZi says:
u dont even need to do that
+FaZi says:
whats going on is
+FaZi says:
ure raising too many hands preflop then just giving up on them
+FaZi says:
u got 2 options
+FaZi says:
raise the same that ure doing now preflop but start bluffing and being more aggro with them
+FaZi says:
OR
+FaZi says:
raise less hands but keep ure aggression the same as it is now
dav says:
yeah
dav says:
i think you're right

ye i was too late lol

stats for first half of the graph:

stats for second half:

On June 19 2008 06:40 Baal wrote: what on earth changed at 150k hands?!?!?

part of my soul died

For number one, maybe instead of 'spew' triple barreling, just be making thinner value bets?
For number two, I don't know how you play but when I flat loosely vs a pfr, it's usually because the villain is a straightforward nitty type player and I plan on floating any decent flop (in position)

I think the gap between the VPIP and PFR grows as you flat more hands instead of 3-betting them (as well as the obvious limping vs raising), but I think what fazi said is very true. Try toning down your aggression preflop and turn it up postflop.

Another thing to note is I noticed that in your post you wrote a lot about barreling, making bluffs, and trying to take the pot down. That's good because it looks like you're just giving up a lot of pots, but recently I've incorporated more calling into my game so that's another thought.

Our graphs look pretty much the opposite though, so what I wrote here may have no relevance at all to your game. Anyways GL

that is really weird how you started losing a fuckload at 150k hands, cant you identify anything that changed?? because thats a huge difference

thats the weirdest graph ever, winrate looks so stable over 150k

do you have positional stats? its a big sample so i think these will say a lot about your tendencies
you might find that you raise too much in earlier positions and lose a lot of pots due to being oop(think this is sorta what fazi was getting at) i think this is the easiest way to leak money without realising youre doing so

might be worth filtering some common scenarios out such at you seeing a flop oop in a raised pot, checking how well you do in multiway pots and suchlike

whoa, sick good advice from fazi.

actually lots of good ideas coming out here, good thread, I eat popcorn to this

positional stats:

overall:


first half:


second half:

I don't see too much wrong with your pf stats so it's pretty much certain that your postflop play needs more work. This is harder to see with stats and is probably a combination of many things but I suspect that you're not valuebetting enough. Triple barrel bluffing is good to add to your arsenal but I think you just need to focus more on getting value from your hands.

Just as an example, say you hold 99 and u raise pf and get a call from a tight player who you have position on. Say the flop comes 6s8sKc. Against a nit who is most likely just set mining this would be a good spot to polarize your betting range into air/top pair or better type hands and checking any medium strength hands such as your 99 to get value on later streets. But if your opponent is a loose fish who calls flops light, then you can double barrel or possibly even triple barrel a board like this for value.

Not sure if this example helps to show you what I mean, but generally I'm just trying to say that you should be looking for value in every spot and not autopilot when you play.

seems like ur positional winrate is very bad

other stats such as blind defense are above average =]

ur BT and CO winrate is way too low

you lost money UTG in the second half, so you can start by tightening up there, and this suggests you are losing some pots oop in the other positions also.
clearly something is going wrong when you could do better to fold every single hand

i notice on the first half your pfr and vpip are lower in both utg and utg+1, might be worth thinking about how likely you are to see a flop oop when youre raising pf
make sure youre always thinking about how the players to your left behave and whether
a) youll be likely to be called and find yourself oop, and
b) how likely they are to outplay you postflop
like in some games you sit the CO and button will be practically the same with some weaktight guy to your left, but make sure you arent autopiloting in CO and MP when theres semilaggish players behind

brag post imo
You just want LP to know you have FAZI on your MSN