QJs FR shoving good?

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shaneomac United States. Jun 13 2008 16:24. Posts 4245

Submitted by : shaneomac

PokerStars Game #18115450958: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/06/13 - 18:13:39 (ET)
Table 'Iphiklos III' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: dymarko ($197 in chips)
Seat 2: Profesigh ($233.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($200 in chips)
Seat 4: mikeyclean ($216.25 in chips)
Seat 5: brasil1606 ($194 in chips)
Seat 6: jonas2008 ($174.25 in chips)
Seat 7: PlayAlarico ($235.65 in chips)
Seat 8: moflo81 ($44.55 in chips)
Seat 9: katoy ($194.75 in chips)
PlayAlarico: posts small blind $1
moflo81: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
katoy: folds
dymarko: folds
Profesigh: raises $6 to $8
Hero : calls $8
mikeyclean: calls $8
brasil1606: folds
jonas2008: folds
PlayAlarico: folds
moflo81: folds

Flop (Pot : $27.00)

Profesigh: bets $18
Hero : calls $18
mikeyclean: calls $18

Turn (Pot : $81.00)

Profesigh: bets $64
Hero : raises $110 to $174 and is all-in

profesigh is a regular playing 12.5/9.8
mickeyclean is a passive fish playing 55.2/3.4

i dont put mickey on a very good hand, and expect him to fold. because i expect him to fold, and i have a strong draw and top pair, as well as the ability to use shoving over the guy after me as a sign of strength is shoving here profitable? i believe he folds overpairs to my bet here and since i have a Q its unlikely he has QQ.

locoo Peru. Jun 13 2008 16:30. Posts 4566

he does shows strenght, but can be overpair and you have a lot of outs, i like it

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte

HeRoS)eNGagE Canada. Jun 13 2008 16:46. Posts 10896

and expect him to fold. because i expect him to fold
i loled

shaneomac United States. Jun 13 2008 16:47. Posts 4245

hahahaha im saying. given that i expect him to fold...this is why i do this =)

DustySwedeDude Sweden. Jun 13 2008 17:21. Posts 8623

If he folds overpairs he's kinda retarded, but you might get him of slightly better Q's and you don't have to play guessing games on the river so I guess it's ok.

shaneomac United States. Jun 13 2008 17:52. Posts 4245

its 100% conceivable for me to flat a set on the flop. raising on the flop looks so strong since im raising pfr and negating the person behind me so i could ez have a set here. so for that i disagree folding overpairs is retarded

Last edit: 13/06/2008 17:58

Yugless

United States. Jun 13 2008 18:43. Posts 7174

he committed himself with a big turn bet and there's no way he's going to fold now getting 3:1

Baal - look is talking hah.

tilted fish Canada. Jun 13 2008 19:39. Posts 2651

call, hit profit

lachlan Australia. Jun 14 2008 02:01. Posts 6991

i like ur reasoning =) just depends if u think he's gonna fold AA/KK here alot, which he probably will due to u shoving over 2ppl

full ring

YoMeR United States. Jun 14 2008 13:54. Posts 12438

i'd like this if you were a bit deeper but you do realize that villain will almost never fold QK+ here after his turn bet?

eZ Life.

shaneomac United States. Jun 14 2008 14:17. Posts 4245

On June 14 2008 12:54 YoMeR wrote:
i'd like this if you were a bit deeper but you do realize that villain will almost never fold QK+ here after his turn bet?

i think in FR he would have to fold marginal hands like KQ AQ and i think if hes a thinking player he could even fold AA/KK. ppl just dont play loose enough to generally be playing weaker Qs and draws like this on the turn.

EvilSky

Czech Republic. Jun 14 2008 15:58. Posts 8918

You are repping exactly 87 here imo, so as a bluff this fails.I would call.