TT 3bet pot oop vs 3 players

Submitted by : traktor

PokerStars Game #18062037482: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/06/11 - 06:40:59 (ET)
Table 'Ragazza' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: cityburke ($219 in chips)
Seat 2: BabyGrand ($252.10 in chips)
Seat 3: ExB1983 ($206 in chips)
Seat 4: qiauqiau ($177.10 in chips)
Seat 5: BooyaKash ($287.15 in chips)
Seat 6: matfyzak ($203.85 in chips)
matfyzak : posts small blind $1
cityburke: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to matfyzak
BabyGrand: raises $4 to $6
ExB1983: folds
qiauqiau: calls $6
BooyaKash: folds
matfyzak : raises $20 to $26
cityburke: calls $24
BabyGrand: calls $20
qiauqiau: calls $20

Flop (Pot : $104.00)

   
matfyzak : bets $55
cityburke: calls $55
BabyGrand: folds
qiauqiau: folds

Turn (Pot : $214.00)

   
matfyzak : checks
cityburke: bets $138 and is all-in
matfyzak : folds
Uncalled bet ($138) returned to cityburke
cityburke collected $211 from pot

Summary
Total pot $214 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: cityburke (big blind) collected ($211)
Seat 2: BabyGrand folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ExB1983 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: qiauqiau folded on the Flop
Seat 5: BooyaKash (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: matfyzak (small blind) folded on the Turn

I think I'm very likely to herocall on the turn. It seems pretty hard for him to have a king here (he's never floating AK 4 way and he'd usually raise AKss on flop); JJ/QQ are pretty likely to check behind a lot too; so the only hands left beating you are sets which flatted the flop hoping to bring others in and sometimes AA which didn't want to make a scary 4bet pre, and I think that draws such as TJss which 20/10s love to have a sniff with pre are enough of his range, with your good pot odds, to make the call.

why are we 3betting pf?

On June 12 2008 21:04 TimDawg wrote: why are we 3betting pf?

For value. Babygrands 18% pf raise means that TT is good against him most of time, second player is loose fish...

k, TT might be ahead of his raising range but I really doubt that it's ahead of his 3-betting-calling range. So basically you are folding out his worse hands and keep him in with his better ones. Don't like it.

AND he's raising UTG. I can guarantee you he's not 18% utg ;o

On June 13 2008 05:48 Royal_Rumble wrote: k, TT might be ahead of his raising range but I really doubt that it's ahead of his 3-betting-calling range. So basically you are folding out his worse hands and keep him in with his better ones. Don't like it.

exactly

cityburke certainly has you beat here

On June 13 2008 05:48 Royal_Rumble wrote: k, TT might be ahead of his raising range but I really doubt that it's ahead of his 3-betting-calling range. So basically you are folding out his worse hands and keep him in with his better ones. Don't like it.

nice



now fold tho

id fold, dunno looks like a set or somethin big to me

On June 13 2008 09:04 TianYuan wrote: AND he's raising UTG. I can guarantee you he's not 18% utg ;o

O rly? Well, lets imagine, that I decreased his utg raising range down to 9% of top hands And it doesnt realy matter, since the problem here is that another player coldcalled AND he also called..., which affect his range a lot.

ALso, please dont be so nitty, imagine that some players can raise A2s utg as well, or QTo!!!! Maybe that for some players is that unbelievable, but lot of players do that....

doesn't matter what he has, all that matters is you should fold

Well, I didnt post this hand to heard that i should have it called it preflop..... but ok, u r so clever....everybody......it would be so fantastic move...if i only I did it,....mayby i was a milionaire now , or ?

On June 13 2008 01:30 traktor wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2008 21:04 TimDawg wrote: why are we 3betting pf? For value. Babygrands 18% pf raise means that TT is good against him most of time, second player is loose fish...

so he's calling 100% of the time with worse if he raises with worse?

i think not.

dude u are a troll
GTFO

u nits 3 betting is fine even if his range > TT we fold most of his hands and we can still take it postflop or hit a set and it gives us a better image so they dont insta fold when we 3bet

The worst thing is we have TT and we squeeze, and he 4bets and we're like wtf is he doing this cause we're "squeezing" or does he have the nuts. Feels like a waste of TT

I duno, I think being a bit more polarized in these spots is fine..?

yes making it polarized is perfectly fine as most players at this stake won't really exploit it properly anyway.

Much rather 3 bet something like 76s here than 88-TT or something of similar strength.

Baal: i don't think balancing our ranges here is as important as trying to get the MAX value out of TT and I don't think we can achieve that with TT here by 3 betting unless the game conditions are right.

i like 3 betting oop vs 2 players TT unless the PFR is super nitty, isnt gonna be very profitable to play postflop, 3 betting gets us value still vs some hands that will fold flop anyway

especially vs a loose fish in the middle that we can isolate