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traktor   Czech Republic. Jun 12 2008 15:12. Posts 185

Submitted by : traktor

PokerStars Game #18062037482: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/06/11 - 06:40:59 (ET)
Table 'Ragazza' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: cityburke ($219 in chips)
Seat 2: BabyGrand ($252.10 in chips)
Seat 3: ExB1983 ($206 in chips)
Seat 4: qiauqiau ($177.10 in chips)
Seat 5: BooyaKash ($287.15 in chips)
Seat 6: matfyzak ($203.85 in chips)
matfyzak : posts small blind $1
cityburke: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to matfyzak TdTc
BabyGrand: raises $4 to $6
ExB1983: folds
qiauqiau: calls $6
BooyaKash: folds
matfyzak : raises $20 to $26
cityburke: calls $24
BabyGrand: calls $20
qiauqiau: calls $20

Flop (Pot : $104.00)

   3h8s5s
matfyzak : bets $55
cityburke: calls $55
BabyGrand: folds
qiauqiau: folds

Turn (Pot : $214.00)

   3h8s5sKc
matfyzak : checks
cityburke: bets $138 and is all-in
matfyzak : folds
Uncalled bet ($138) returned to cityburke
cityburke collected $211 from pot

Summary
Total pot $214 | Rake $3
Board  3h8s5sKc
Seat 1: cityburke (big blind) collected ($211)
Seat 2: BabyGrand folded on the Flop
Seat 3: ExB1983 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: qiauqiau folded on the Flop
Seat 5: BooyaKash (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: matfyzak (small blind) folded on the Turn



Cityburke is semiregular player (I suppose, but not sure) with stats like 20/10 after small sample size. Dunno what he could call with. Babygrand is 18/15/2 regular, who I respect, but after Cityburks call he can play any pocket pair or hands like AQ to JQs due to the pot odds. Quia is post flop loose fish, which is capable to pay more than 50bb with 2nd pair on A hi flopped board oop (I had some history). My goal is to play for quiau for his stack, but I wonder what is my chance that I beat one donk coldcaller and regular. Do u like my line?


Oly   United Kingdom. Jun 12 2008 18:15. Posts 1139

I think I'm very likely to herocall on the turn. It seems pretty hard for him to have a king here (he's never floating AK 4 way and he'd usually raise AKss on flop); JJ/QQ are pretty likely to check behind a lot too; so the only hands left beating you are sets which flatted the flop hoping to bring others in and sometimes AA which didn't want to make a scary 4bet pre, and I think that draws such as TJss which 20/10s love to have a sniff with pre are enough of his range, with your good pot odds, to make the call.

 Last edit: 12/06/2008 18:16

TimDawg   United States. Jun 12 2008 21:04. Posts 6036

why are we 3betting pf?

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

traktor   Czech Republic. Jun 13 2008 01:30. Posts 185


  On June 12 2008 21:04 TimDawg wrote:
why are we 3betting pf?




For value. Babygrands 18% pf raise means that TT is good against him most of time, second player is loose fish...


Royal_Rumble   Germany. Jun 13 2008 05:48. Posts 1475

k, TT might be ahead of his raising range but I really doubt that it's ahead of his 3-betting-calling range. So basically you are folding out his worse hands and keep him in with his better ones. Don't like it.

how is prostitution illegal but alimony isnt? Theyre basically the same thing - youre paying for the whore to leave! - Dick Masterson 

TianYuan    Sweden. Jun 13 2008 09:04. Posts 3774

AND he's raising UTG. I can guarantee you he's not 18% utg ;o

Hm.. Off-suite socks.. 

TimDawg   United States. Jun 13 2008 09:28. Posts 6036


  On June 13 2008 05:48 Royal_Rumble wrote:
k, TT might be ahead of his raising range but I really doubt that it's ahead of his 3-betting-calling range. So basically you are folding out his worse hands and keep him in with his better ones. Don't like it.

exactly

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

brudman   Canada. Jun 13 2008 10:03. Posts 602

cityburke certainly has you beat here


Logiabs~   Colombia. Jun 13 2008 13:59. Posts 9133


  On June 13 2008 05:48 Royal_Rumble wrote:
k, TT might be ahead of his raising range but I really doubt that it's ahead of his 3-betting-calling range. So basically you are folding out his worse hands and keep him in with his better ones. Don't like it.




nice



now fold tho


p-halt   United States. Jun 13 2008 15:07. Posts 206

id fold, dunno looks like a set or somethin big to me


traktor   Czech Republic. Jun 13 2008 16:39. Posts 185


  On June 13 2008 09:04 TianYuan wrote:
AND he's raising UTG. I can guarantee you he's not 18% utg ;o



O rly? Well, lets imagine, that I decreased his utg raising range down to 9% of top hands And it doesnt realy matter, since the problem here is that another player coldcalled AND he also called..., which affect his range a lot.

ALso, please dont be so nitty, imagine that some players can raise A2s utg as well, or QTo!!!! Maybe that for some players is that unbelievable, but lot of players do that....


lachlan   Australia. Jun 13 2008 19:23. Posts 5351

doesn't matter what he has, all that matters is you should fold

full ring is good 

traktor   Czech Republic. Jun 13 2008 20:33. Posts 185

Well, I didnt post this hand to heard that i should have it called it preflop..... but ok, u r so clever....everybody......it would be so fantastic move...if i only I did it,....mayby i was a milionaire now , or ?


YoMeR   United States. Jun 13 2008 20:42. Posts 6252


  On June 13 2008 01:30 traktor wrote:
Show nested quote +



For value. Babygrands 18% pf raise means that TT is good against him most of time, second player is loose fish...


so he's calling 100% of the time with worse if he raises with worse?

i think not.

eZ Life. 

Logiabs~   Colombia. Jun 13 2008 21:01. Posts 9133

dude u are a troll
GTFO


Baal   . Jun 13 2008 21:26. Posts 17709

u nits 3 betting is fine even if his range > TT we fold most of his hands and we can still take it postflop or hit a set and it gives us a better image so they dont insta fold when we 3bet

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TianYuan    Sweden. Jun 14 2008 03:18. Posts 3774

The worst thing is we have TT and we squeeze, and he 4bets and we're like wtf is he doing this cause we're "squeezing" or does he have the nuts. Feels like a waste of TT

I duno, I think being a bit more polarized in these spots is fine..?

Hm.. Off-suite socks..Last edit: 14/06/2008 03:18

YoMeR   United States. Jun 14 2008 12:35. Posts 6252

yes making it polarized is perfectly fine as most players at this stake won't really exploit it properly anyway.

Much rather 3 bet something like 76s here than 88-TT or something of similar strength.

eZ Life. 

YoMeR   United States. Jun 14 2008 12:36. Posts 6252

Baal: i don't think balancing our ranges here is as important as trying to get the MAX value out of TT and I don't think we can achieve that with TT here by 3 betting unless the game conditions are right.

eZ Life. 

locoo   Peru. Jun 14 2008 13:20. Posts 2519

i like 3 betting oop vs 2 players TT unless the PFR is super nitty, isnt gonna be very profitable to play postflop, 3 betting gets us value still vs some hands that will fold flop anyway

especially vs a loose fish in the middle that we can isolate

se proyecta la vida, mariposa tecnicolorLast edit: 14/06/2008 13:22

 



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