[nonsd] what does this mean?

Weird, when I consider myself "running bad" my non showdown line is way up in the positive and my showdown line is in the negative, and when I check my graph after a normal session the money won with showdown is like 75-85% of my profits.

Style-wise I play around 25 to 30 VPIP and 20 to 25 PFR, and I'm also barreling a ton in good spots and all that stuff, but then again I'm still rebuilding so the results for my PT3 DB have only included NL25/NL50; not sure if midstakes graphs are similar

It looks like you're leaking money in non-showdown pots based on this graph in addition to running bad. Ideally you want your non-showdown winning line to be above your total winnings, but it really depends on play style and what not so I wouldn't worry too much about the poker EV stats since they aren't really useful.

okay wow this is REALLY strange looking at your graph now.. here's mine for past few weeks
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I had a few periods where I was on extreme tilt and was shoving my stack in light several times so I'm pretty sure that's one of my huge leaks that's showing up on there

nm my question already answered

tbh, having looked at this graph it may mean im playing timid in spots i should be wtf3barreling
idk if thats true tho
cariadon also mentioned it may have a lot to do with not stealing blinds enough

thats a sick weird/good graph kimseongchan heh

also over this sample there is a lot of tight tight play so its def a TAGish style

^ is this 6 max kim?

On June 09 2008 02:39 lebowski wrote: ^ is this 6 max kim?

yea it's all 6-tabling 6max, NL25/NL50

btw ggplz what's your W$WSF, WTSD, and W$SD? if you don't mind sharing

the way the non showdown winnings have been trailing further downward for the last 1/3 might suggest that you started playing a bit more weakly as a result of running bad
also looks like you never got action on your good hands in the last part of the month, perhaps in part due to how you were playing(losing a lot of pots without showdown)

On June 09 2008 02:40 kimseongchan wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2008 02:39 lebowski wrote: ^ is this 6 max kim? yea it's all 6-tabling 6max, NL25/NL50 btw ggplz what's your W$WSF, WTSD, and W$SD? if you don't mind sharing

yeah i think its good to keep an eye on your W$WSF if you think youre playing weakly
i think its a really useful stat to evaluate postflop strength and bluffing frequencies both in opponents and yourself

geeez ppl plz stop looking at those retarded pokerEV applications

On June 09 2008 02:40 kimseongchan wrote: btw ggplz what's your W$WSF, WTSD, and W$SD? if you don't mind sharing

44% w$wsf
25% wtsd
49% w$sd

ofc i dont mind sharing

On June 09 2008 02:49 SneakrFreakr wrote: geeez ppl plz stop looking at those retarded pokerEV applications

i know

but this is clearly an application where the program simply can't be wrong.. its showing the difference between money won @ sd and your non showdown winnings
its not like its sklansky bucks or w/e

On June 09 2008 02:50 ggplz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2008 02:40 kimseongchan wrote: btw ggplz what's your W$WSF, WTSD, and W$SD? if you don't mind sharing 44% w$wsf 25% wtsd 49% w$sd ofc i dont mind sharing

compare these numbers to midians stats:


49% w$wsf
25% wtsd
49% w$sd

also over this sample i play:



my flop/turn aggression is high but river not so much
maybe i just go for like value value potcontrol or value value bluffcatcher more than i do value value value or bluff bluff bluff

hmm, mine are basically the same as those so not sure, I guess it's just a style difference

On June 09 2008 02:40 kimseongchan wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2008 02:39 lebowski wrote: ^ is this 6 max kim? yea it's all 6-tabling 6max, NL25/NL50

it's impressive, my $ won without showdown are also on the negative side.
just can't figure out why I suck at that

comparing myself and midian's stats probably wasnt the smartest comparison lol

im also a loser in non-showdown pots but not nearly as pronounced as you. I dont have my old DB and only like 5k on this pc but yea i remember being a loser but it wasnt like a huge amount


weird

its standard for tag to be close to breakeven/losing in nonshowdown

On June 09 2008 03:03 ggplz wrote: comparing myself and midian's stats probably wasnt the smartest comparison lol

its is the holy grail that we all seek.

my NL100 graph looks the same as yours ggplz and I also consider myself to be running bad atm. conversely my NL50 graph (where I run like god ) shows an upward red line.
clearly it has to do with making big folds, obv if you make a fold to a turn raise it goes to the red line, where as if you call and bluffcatch it goes to the blue line.
I think the red line is an indication of your 'momentum' in the game? obv if you have losing momentum the table is going to shit on you more and you need to showdown some good hands. so you lose money while waiting for the good hands

http://53o.blogspot.com/2007/10/pokerev-great-analysis-software.html

I'm always a long term loser in nonshowdown : But I also hold a solid 3-5bb / 100 which is good enough for me.

I think you should try isolating limpers with a tighter range. I would cut out iso raising with 45-78s, J7-J8s type hands. Occasionally try overlimping with 22-44.

Basically I think you should keep the pots smaller with your weaker hands and just punish them postflop with potsized/overbets. 45s is a great hand to play in position but it's kind of like an omaha hand: the flop really decides the equity you have in the hand.