AA deepish vs unknown

Don't feel good at all about this hand and my eventual decision.... what is "standard" here?

Submitted by : Big_Rob_48

PokerStars Game #18016852151: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/06/09 - 03:56:40 (ET)
Table 'Erfordia III' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: TheMadRussia ($196 in chips)
Seat 3: minniejas ($112 in chips)
Seat 4: donut604 ($323 in chips)
Seat 5: Big_Rob_48 ($533.20 in chips)
Seat 6: alninouix ($91 in chips)
TheMadRussia: posts small blind $1
minniejas: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Big_Rob_48
donut604: raises $6 to $8
Big_Rob_48 : raises $16 to $24
alninouix: folds
TheMadRussia: folds
minniejas: folds
donut604: calls $16

Flop (Pot : $51.00)

   
donut604: checks
Big_Rob_48 : bets $36
donut604: raises $54 to $90
Big_Rob_48 :

Call, see turn. You have position and you don't wanna blow him off Kx.

Kx doesnt play like this and then fold if i push.... thats rly rly bad

Shove, what else can you do?

i call and get it in on the turn.

only because we get a little more value out of those bluffy type hands (or even something like QcQx that picks up a draw on the turn)

he'll fold all those bluffy hands if you shove, and i'm pretty confident he'll stack off w/ AK (or even Kx if he's capable of calling that)

hooray aces!

On June 09 2008 01:20 Big_Rob_48 wrote: Kx doesnt play like this and then fold if i push.... thats rly rly bad

Don't assume an unknown's good. You're getting money from Kx no matter what you do, you wanna maximize vs the hands that won't stack off (stone bluffs, etc) and you can do that by calling and feigning weakness.

i agree trey, and day9

On June 09 2008 06:08 Big_Rob_48 wrote: i agree trey, and day9

Same.

yes flat on the flop is probably the standard here for many reasons unless you and villain have been going ape shit vs each other.

He's getting proper odds to call a push with Axs with fd if he thinks his A is good, should you push here. Anything else that he calls with probably beats ya. Altho, without history, he could play Kx (where x is decent) here this way too and think you're pushing a draw.

I don't think 3-bet is horribly wrong, but I prefer a call. If he continues the turn, it's easy to get it in - esp. on non-club turn which falls 80% of the time (if he has fd obv, 75% or sumthin' otherwise).

since hes utg i dont mind flatting flop and then getting it in on any turn, otherwise im prefering 3b flop AI like you would with combodraw axcc - i dont think if you call on flop here as played people will continue with a bluff on turn

im awwwwwwwwiiiiiiiiiiiiinnn don't want any more headaches.....

On June 09 2008 18:12 PoorUser wrote: since hes utg i dont mind flatting flop and then getting it in on any turn, otherwise im prefering 3b flop AI like you would with combodraw axcc - i dont think if you call on flop here as played people will continue with a bluff on turn

agreed I also like a shove here more often than a flat, he would have to be preety optimistic / bad to think he has fold equity aginst any Kx past the flop