PLO 25 River spot with 7s full

Submitted by : acdawg712

Full Tilt Poker Game #6752365923: Table Molino (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 0:55:30 ET - 2008/06/09
Seat 1: fold4sir ($10), is sitting out
Seat 2: nonesuch1 ($20.70)
Seat 3: chasethis26 ($35.90)
Seat 4: jayjayokocha ($44.80)
Seat 5: Josiah Farrell ($8.55)
Seat 6: LastHand911 ($5.95)
chasethis26 posts the small blind of $0.10
jayjayokocha posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2

Holecards
Dealt to chasethis26
fold4sir has returned
Josiah Farrell folds
LastHand911 folds
nonesuch1 folds
chasethis26 calls $0.15
jayjayokocha checks

Flop (Pot : $0.50)

   
chasethis26 bets $0.50
jayjayokocha calls $0.50

Turn (Pot : $1.50)

   
chasethis26 has 15 seconds left to act
chasethis26 bets $1.50
jayjayokocha calls $1.50

River (Pot : $4.50)

   
chasethis26 bets $4.50
jayjayokocha raises to $18
chasethis26 ???????????

call

I think you can reraise and hope for a call from 6s full

easy flat call

You'll run into A6xx here very often, often enough that you should probably raise all-in. Folding here is absolutely out of the question and if you were really considering it you might want to quit Omaha. Nits don't do well in this game.

Folding is not an option. I am relatively new to omaha, so I was trying to determine his range. If he is a normal player, would he raise 88 or 66 on the flop? But he decides to flat flop, he can definitely flat turn with the 1st or 2nd nuts and pot the riv in position. Am I off base here? A6 definitely makes sense, call flat to speculate flat trips tk on a scary board, hit a boat on the river and spastically pot the 3rd pot barrell.

ur almost 1.5 buyins deep with the 4th best hand in a limped pot in plo

don't raise, it's bad advice unless u know the guy is completely retarded

66/88/AA is in the dude's range here? AAxx doesn't raise pre?

ehh.. im guessing it's standard to flat 66/88 on that flop then?

yea ok i forgot he would raise AA, but it makes sense for 66/88 to flat incase i have a straight and is trapping with the effective/actual nuts on 4th sreet, knowing that i probably have some sort of full house. But villan could be peeling and run into 6s full of As, so i'm just curious how often 66/88 flats that flop?

On June 09 2008 23:12 collegesucks wrote: 66/88/AA is in the dude's range here? AAxx doesn't raise pre? ehh.. im guessing it's standard to flat 66/88 on that flop then?

people don't always raise AAxx pre. AA92 is not that great of a hand.

and it absolutely would be standard to flat 66/88 on that flop, raising would be bad

On June 09 2008 20:34 asdf2000 wrote: ur almost 1.5 buyins deep with the 4th best hand in a limped pot in plo don't raise, it's bad advice unless u know the guy is completely retarded

You are telling me that in PLO donks don't constantly pay-off with the under-house in this spot? People will turn up with 67xx, 68xx, 6Axx etc all the time and they will call down with it. I think that unless you have a read that villain is a huge nit its a very +EV spot to re-raise all-in.

this is why i need omaha tracker lol, i'm play on feel now, like neilly! cept I'm a nit, not retarded, and I suck!

seems like a very easy shove, very easy for him to have (+ more combinations of) stuff like A69x, 67xx, 68xx, really the only hand I expect to be behind is 88, but there's no reason villian should be flatting top boat on turn unless hes mega trappy. I think it's also correct to assume most low stakes players think AAxx is always the nuts no matter what and ALWAYS raise preflop, on that note it's probably still some kind part of his range, but a very small part, I think we are good here more than 60-70%+ of the time + he never folds any of his range since no1 ever folds boats here we need to reshove and get looked up by A6xx

On June 10 2008 14:36 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2008 23:12 collegesucks wrote: 66/88/AA is in the dude's range here? AAxx doesn't raise pre? ehh.. im guessing it's standard to flat 66/88 on that flop then? people don't always raise AAxx pre. AA92 is not that great of a hand. and it absolutely would be standard to flat 66/88 on that flop, raising would be bad

Although I agree with your opinion of AAxx, the 25 PLO player does not. There is no way he has AAxx here imo, unless it was a misclick pre. I also agree that he could possibly flat 66xx or 88xx on that flop, and it is pretty standard. Once again, it's 25PLO and they both have more than 100BB's I can't see them not raising the turn? Unless they are some sort of super trappy player which you should be able to establish that sort of read pretty quickly.

On June 13 2008 21:06 TalentedTom wrote: but there's no reason villian should be flatting top boat on turn unless hes mega trappy.

what??

why would he possibly raise the made nuts while in position???

On June 14 2008 19:57 NiagaraPoker wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2008 14:36 asdf2000 wrote:   On June 09 2008 23:12 collegesucks wrote: 66/88/AA is in the dude's range here? AAxx doesn't raise pre? ehh.. im guessing it's standard to flat 66/88 on that flop then? people don't always raise AAxx pre. AA92 is not that great of a hand. and it absolutely would be standard to flat 66/88 on that flop, raising would be bad Although I agree with your opinion of AAxx, the 25 PLO player does not. There is no way he has AAxx here imo, unless it was a misclick pre.

well thats funny because i can post at least a dozen hands at lowstakes PLO where the other player didn't raise their AA pre

not to say i entirely disagree with you, im just saying that fundamentally if the player has any clue, checking AA pre isn't nearly as bad as re-potting an underfull would be.

On June 15 2008 14:42 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2008 21:06 TalentedTom wrote: but there's no reason villian should be flatting top boat on turn unless hes mega trappy. what?? why would he possibly raise the made nuts while in position???

because there's only $1.5 in the pot with $50 behind , unless hes completley clueless or very trappy he should always be raising

if he raises 88 or 66 on the turn then he only gets action from hands that will give action to his river raise anyways

so that absolutely is bad

On June 15 2008 18:36 asdf2000 wrote: if he raises 88 or 66 on the turn then he only gets action from hands that will give action to his river raise anyways so that absolutely is bad

i doubt 25nl players think like this.. i'm sure the most common thought process is "yes full house, raise"

assuming he cant call with worse is leveling yourself