100nl rivershove vs third pair

he has air or? or something he thinks is air? i
he is 23/11/2.6
i second barreled because i thought there was a lot of stuff in his floating range he could fold. bad?
Submitted by : piratematerial

PokerStars Game #18011103508: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/06/08 - 21:11:52 (ET)
Table 'Themisto IV' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: CnopTcmeH08 ($218.90 in chips)
Seat 2: type-miami ($70.35 in chips)
Seat 3: pokerhaasje ($108.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Gamakazzu ($90.70 in chips)
Seat 6: Zyplen ($100 in chips)
CnopTcmeH08: posts small blind $0.50
type-miami: posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to pokerhaasje
pokerhaasje : raises $3 to $4
Gamakazzu: folds
Zyplen: calls $4
CnopTcmeH08: folds
type-miami: folds

Flop (Pot : $9.50)

   
pokerhaasje : bets $8
Zyplen: calls $8

Turn (Pot : $25.50)

   
pokerhaasje : bets $22
Zyplen: calls $22

River (Pot : $69.50)

   
pokerhaasje : checks
Zyplen: bets $66 and is all-in

I don't understand are you bluffing or valuebetting the turn?
he floats too much?
could be a missed draw but can u really call with no further reads?

really weird hand ;o

lots of players at nl 100 will contintue chase and i think this hand pretty much plays itself after the flop call. --->check fold turn. keep it simple. i would rather fire another bullet IP.

i guess TT/66 could be in his range, but his flat calls on both flop and turn makes that less likely... it's a pretty ugly board to slowplay a big hand on.

so that pretty much leaves us with draws, KQ/AQ/QJ types of hands. ´

ah dunno really.. you put yourself in such a tough spot here.

I guess you can snap-lol-call if you feel that he's strange and such and likes variance. I'd say he had has like Ac6c or 89s a fair bit and sometimes like AQ or something silly like that. I would just give up on turn.

There are a few spade / KJ/ J9 / combo-draws that missed
Depends on whether you want to be a hero or not

being a hero can be expensive, but 100%! worth it

we're not really afraid of much except pairs/draws that back door flushed

On June 08 2008 18:19 piratematerial wrote: i second barreled because i thought there was a lot of stuff in his floating range he could fold.

wat?

Player dependent on the turn.

If he floats a bit, it seems fine, but a bit more info about your play, the game play and his tendencies would be really helpful here.

As played though check fold river unless you have a really solid soul read.

he calls in pos pf. so i assume he will float AJ, J10, KJ, 67s, 109s, perhaps sometimes with a fd or bd fd. and i thougt i could fold some of those out. i would think he would raise 66 on the flop and QQ/1010 pf. so i dont really see what beats me that he would shove. i assume he would check stuff with showdown value that accidentally hit some mid or low pair. so not so sure this is a hero call.

the thing is,it's nl100 and you can't assume that he's not fishy enough to call 2 streets with AQ/1010/66/Q10 or whatever even on a super drawy flop, with no reads

This is ten!

On June 09 2008 12:17 lebowski wrote: the thing is,it's nl100 and you can't assume that he's not fishy enough to call 2 streets with AQ/1010/66/Q10 or whatever even on a super drawy flop, with no reads

sure but fishy enough to shove it on the river?

On June 09 2008 13:41 piratematerial wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2008 12:17 lebowski wrote: the thing is,it's nl100 and you can't assume that he's not fishy enough to call 2 streets with AQ/1010/66/Q10 or whatever even on a super drawy flop, with no reads sure but fishy enough to shove it on the river?

meaning that this could be that he doesn't try to protect/extract value because he is afraid you'll fold or something

fish do these things and you don't know which type of fish this is, the one that shoves a missed draw or the other one.
I can actually see a rndm 100nl guy doing this with KK/AA too

the only hands i'd be afraid of is the back door flush/straight or a T/bigger pair turned into a bluff that we'll value town ourselves to.

From my experience NL100 players will never ever balance their value betting ranges on this river so you can be sure he'll check behind Qx very often here as he'll be more than happy to get a cheap showdown with a hand with plenty of showdown value. but he may have thought his T or something is no good and decides to bluff river. We can also be fairly certain he'll be letting us know he has a made hand sooner. So his range is more heavily weighted towards drawing hands. I probably call/note. Make sure he isn't a nit tho cuz then you'll run into the nuts here every time.

from my experience... that hand looks like a butchered set to me.