NL200 bluff all-in turn ?

Submitted by : JohnnyMoss

Full Tilt Poker Game #6456720851: Table Red Hills (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:33:35 ET - 2008/05/17
Seat 1: kiarradoll ($198), is sitting out
Seat 2: JJ_RAISE ($200)
Seat 3: tnewman41 ($469.60)
Seat 4: ludko ($231.45)
Seat 5: Oykarl ($149)
Seat 6: jballer88 ($208)
ludko posts the small blind of $1
Oykarl posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to ludko
jballer88 raises to $7
JJ_RAISE folds
tnewman41 calls $7
ludko has 15 seconds left to act
ludko raises to $30
Oykarl folds
jballer88 folds
tnewman41 has 15 seconds left to act
jballer88 stands up
tnewman41 calls $23

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $69.00)

   
ludko has 15 seconds left to act
ludko bets $50
tnewman41 has 15 seconds left to act
tnewman41 calls $50

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $169.00)

   
ludko bets $151.45, and is all in
tnewman41 has 15 seconds left to act
tnewman41 has requested TIME
rockyfive sits down
rockyfive adds $200
tnewman41 calls $151.45
ludko shows
tnewman41 shows

River (Pot : $471.90)

   
ludko shows a pair of Tens
tnewman41 shows two pair, Jacks and Tens
tnewman41 wins the pot ($468.90) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
ludko adds $200

Summary
Total pot $471.90 | Rake $3
Board:  
Seat 1: kiarradoll is sitting out
Seat 2: JJ_RAISE didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: tnewman41 (button) showed and won ($468.90) with two pair, Jacks and Tens
Seat 4: ludko (small blind) showed and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 5: Oykarl (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: jballer88 folded before the Flop

i play pretty tight before and it was my first re-reise,vilian is 24/17...no more reads!!! was my bluff line good ?

No, I don't like it. Just because we know almost exactly what his hand is does not mean he is going to fold it, and we would need a much stronger read on villain. If he calls the flop, he's going to hero the turn with any pocket pair far too often.

i dont like it too esp with the timing tell of yours - slow bet on flop insta shove on turn is just not good if you are bluffing..

if he doesnt respect your bet on flop in 3bet pot then he sure isn't going to respect your shove on that turn IMO.

just c/f mane

kinda spewy

check this Flop when readless and oop

I like it. You can be pretty sure he doesnt play AA-QQ like this. I would expect his range to include like 99 as well, and you have decent equity if called.

On May 18 2008 20:31 Big_Rob_48 wrote: I like it. You can be pretty sure he doesnt play AA-QQ like this. I would expect his range to include like 99 as well, and you have decent equity if called.

On May 18 2008 20:31 Big_Rob_48 wrote: I like it. You can be pretty sure he doesnt play AA-QQ like this. I would expect his range to include like 99 as well, and you have decent equity if called.

Personally would far from suggest making these kind of assumptions without reads

The fact of the matter is, there are generally going to be VERY few hands less than AQ-high that call a bet on this Flop (basically just J9 on this Flop in particular) and then the Turn card is about as scary as a 6-year old in a halloween costume

You can do some stoving with what your equity is when called against his range of like (44, 77+, JT, AT) and then figure out how often you figure to get a fold out of (55-99) and then how often you figure to get a fold out of (JJ-QQ (LOL)). Obviously weight the ranges accordingly, if you feel that he's more likely than not to be putting in a raise with AA/KK on the Flop etc.

On May 18 2008 20:31 Big_Rob_48 wrote: I like it. You can be pretty sure he doesnt play AA-QQ like this. I would expect his range to include like 99 as well, and you have decent equity if called.

i think this thought process is good if our opponent is a smart thinking player but with the limited reads we have on villain, we can't ever expect him to fold 99, let alone 77-55, which is what i think his range mostly consists of

i check the flop and if he checks back then i can bet turn / shove river, which i expect to be slightly more effective than bet flop / shove turn.

if he bets flop i might c/c and lead the turn, but might c/f, depends on player

What hasn't been mentioned yet:

You squeezed OOP and he called a huge 3bet. To me this screams JJ+ willing to felt it on raggy flops such as these. Would like it a lot more on K turn (obviously we are shoving with A and Q turns).

I would just check the flop and hope he checks back. Check/call on flop and leading turn is terrible.

I think his calling everything he is peeling with flop on there.

dont like it.

On May 19 2008 01:46 Twisted wrote: What hasn't been mentioned yet: You squeezed OOP and he called a huge 3bet. To me this screams JJ+ willing to felt it on raggy flops such as these. Would like it a lot more on K turn (obviously we are shoving with A and Q turns). I would just check the flop and hope he checks back. Check/call on flop and leading turn is terrible.