NL 400 family pot

Uhh.. type of hand that happens pretty rarely, I'm not sure what's the best play on the flop against so many people, sorry if it's kind of standard.
Betting would look really strong so I doubt I get much action except against hands that have me in a lot of trouble. I don't want to get it in on the flop by bet/shoving so if I'd get raised i'm forced to fold or call and check/fold if I don't hit turn which is gay.
Should I check call this flop or what? My hand looks like much more of a monster than it actually is in this spot imo

Submitted by : Loco

***** Hand History for Game 7065919963 *****
$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 18, 04:41:49 ET 2008
Table Table 125491 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Rohilio ( $579.90 USD )
Seat 2: thepriest113 ( $1,112.90 USD )
Seat 4: BiggieCalls ( $396 USD )
Seat 6: Hero ( $640.80 USD )
Seat 3: xxP0Lxx ( $400 USD )
Seat 5: Jenni1988 ( $400 USD )
BiggieCalls posts small blind [$2 USD].
Jenni1988 posts big blind [$4 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Hero raises [$16 USD]
Rohilio calls [$16 USD]
thepriest113 calls [$16 USD]
BiggieCalls calls [$14 USD]
Jenni1988 calls [$12 USD]

Flop (Pot : $80.00)

   
BiggieCalls checks .
Jenni1988 checks .
Hero bets [$52 USD]

I like bet.

But I like more stronger bet.

CBing can be fine, but a raise puts you in an annoying spot depending on the player as it's likely to be very strong (but you'll still have to get it in). I'd enjoy going for a fat committing checkraise here, since a lot of aces will bet/fold where they would call a lead out, ending the pot now which is great, since turns are going to be a nightmare to play oop if a cb is called.

yea I made a smaller bet cause I thought it would accomplish the same thing because leading there = very strong anyway...theres just so many lines I can use here i'm really curious what's the best one. Oly that's a pretty interesting one and it would make it easy to play, I kinda like it but i'd be quite behind when someone goes all in with me though which sucks...meh

The thing is on this flop multiway it hits a lot of people and your cbet will get played back almost always so if you do you want to get stacks in.
You got like 30% equity anyway worse case scenario here right? And a check raise to represent what? You would cbet your strong hands 100% on this flop wouldnt you?

any ace is calling no matter how much you bet and anything < an ace is folding so a smaller bet is perfectly fine. we have about 50% equity vs an ace and we're going to win a nice pot when nobody has an ace so betting here is a must i think.

yea that's what I was thinking as well Yugless, also I figured if the guy i'm slightly deep with was gonna raise i'd have better (implied) odds to call

I bet bigger here and if no one raises me I'm betting the turn big too since I think that anything that has us in bad shape (which pretty much is 88,A8s,AT, or an unlikely TT/AA) should raise this flop like 100% and if we get raised we can decide what to do (I'd push, but I'm not sure if that's spewy). I don't think something like AQ can really felt it against us here that often.

On May 18 2008 13:53 DustySwedeDude wrote: I bet bigger here and if no one raises me I'm betting the turn big too since I think that anything that has us in bad shape (which pretty much is 88,A8s,AT, or an unlikely TT/AA) should raise this flop like 100% and if we get raised we can decide what to do (I'd push, but I'm not sure if that's spewy). I don't think something like AQ can really felt it against us here that often.

just answered your own question buddy

if you bet this size and get a single caller, check/raise turn usually does the trick in a few diff. ways.

I think betting 30 does the same thing as 50 if no-one has an ace!

However I'd like to have my bet sizing the same if I did have AK here and to avoid people making moves on me. And if I want to induce moves I'd rather bet 30 and shove3bet.

On May 18 2008 09:16 Oly wrote: CBing can be fine, but a raise puts you in an annoying spot depending on the player as it's likely to be very strong (but you'll still have to get it in). I'd enjoy going for a fat committing checkraise here, since a lot of aces will bet/fold where they would call a lead out, ending the pot now which is great, since turns are going to be a nightmare to play oop if a cb is called.

u can't possibly check raise this flop with 2 ppl already checking in front of you and I don't really get what you're representing with it on such a board,even top set would bet vs so many callers. Betting is the way imo

On May 18 2008 14:20 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On May 18 2008 13:53 DustySwedeDude wrote: I bet bigger here and if no one raises me I'm betting the turn big too since I think that anything that has us in bad shape (which pretty much is 88,A8s,AT, or an unlikely TT/AA) should raise this flop like 100% and if we get raised we can decide what to do (I'd push, but I'm not sure if that's spewy). I don't think something like AQ can really felt it against us here that often. just answered your own question buddy

dunno really, we're like 40% vs a range of only sets, 2p and combodraws. I guess the amount of raise/folding from other people on this flop is pretty close to 0, but some people might or might not raise/call with some other crap that we're flipping with and I feel that we always need to factor in a certain amount of retardation which would make me inclined to say that it's neutral at worst to push vs someone with 100bb effective considering all this. With 150bb I guess it's slightly bad but we can always defend that with all kinds of crap like "heart", "meta-game", "reversed implied tilt-odds" and such.