AK pre 200nl

Villian is 17/14 and its the first time he raises me, stnd shove?
Submitted by : EvilSky

PokerStars Game #17470380525: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/16 - 12:57:28 (ET)
Table 'Simeisa' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: funkeemonkee ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: Bri154 ($105.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($223.75 in chips)
Seat 4: big boo # 1 ($111.15 in chips)
Seat 5: blizzard466 ($194 in chips)
Seat 6: egordo ($340.45 in chips)
egordo: posts small blind $1
funkeemonkee: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Bri154: calls $2
Hero : raises $6 to $8
big boo # 1: folds
blizzard466: folds
egordo: raises $26 to $34
funkeemonkee: folds
Bri154: calls $32
Hero : ?

what about the guy who limp/flatted the huge 3bet?? thats kind of scary, what do you know about him?

I prefer folding

What do you think the 3-bettor's range is? What do you think the limp-caller's range is? Is you AK ahead of the combination of those ranges? If not, we fold. People really overvalue AK PF. Yes, it's a coinflip vs any pair QQ and below. But it's a sort of coinflip that will cost you a lot of money if you keep doing it over and over and over again. And sometimes they will have AA/KK and you're fucked.

Also consider that you raised from EP and got 3-bet. AT NL200 a 17/14 will not 3betting your UTG raises light.

I like folding.

I am guessing you shoved and ran into AA/KK.

I hate folding AK pf but if there's one good spot to do it this is one. His 3bet is huge too. Coming from a nit it's never good.

On May 16 2008 12:02 phexac wrote: What do you think the 3-bettor's range is? What do you think the limp-caller's range is? Is you AK ahead of the combination of those ranges? If not, we fold.

We have to keep in mind that they won't play perfectly and will fold pocket pairs vs us. If they 3bet then fold enough of their range then pushing is still a good play.

I did shove and I did ran into AA and I hated my guts because I knew it was bad, but I wanted to get that confirmed.

I almost never tell people to fold AK to a 3 bet but if there ever was a time too then this is it.

I think also that what is your image to the 3 better? I mean he could see you as trying to iso the limper and 3 bet you light. Yeah the limper calls but whatever... the 3 better could be doing this with like 88+ ez and you have that range beat up.

ez fold

"the 3 better could be doing this with like 88+ ez and you have that range beat up."

AKo 39.593%

88+ 60.407%

i = phexac

yes, you have enough fold equity to 4bet ak in most cases, this one doesnt seem to be one of them...