[NL50] AK River Play

Submitted by : Subaru

PokerStars Game #17453827019: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/05/15 - 17:46:36 (ET)
Table 'Cortusa III' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Hero ($159.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Lithiume ($98.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Cyrus420 ($38.40 in chips)
Seat 5: tandjong ($35 in chips)
Seat 6: viagem ($50 in chips)
Seat 7: krowman ($48.95 in chips)
Seat 8: IntenseDawg ($50.20 in chips)
Seat 9: Rico1979 ($9.75 in chips)
Cyrus420: posts small blind $0.25
tandjong: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
viagem: folds
krowman: calls $0.50
IntenseDawg: folds
Rico1979: folds
Hero : raises $2 to $2.50
krowman said, "no he had 10 10"
Lithiume: calls $2.50
Cyrus420: folds
tandjong: folds
krowman: calls $2

Flop (Pot : $8.25)

   
kimandjustin joins the table at seat #1
krowman: checks
Hero : bets $6
Lithiume: calls $6
krowman: folds

Turn (Pot : $20.25)

   
Hero : bets $16
Cyrus420 said, "think so?"
Lithiume: calls $16

River (Pot : $52.25)

   
Hero : checks
Lithiume: bets $24
Hero :

i think check call river is fine cuz u get value from miss fd
and becouse u are deep i will only call river

probably i bet 7.5 on flop vs 2 people and bet 20 into 23$ on turn

at NL50 people do this with sets but also with AQ/AJ and even A10 at NL50.

He doesn't have a straight so i don't mind a call here. I think you played fine.

Fold this at fullring, his range is exactly a set.

On May 15 2008 18:17 Fox wrote: at NL50 people do this with sets but also with AQ/AJ and even A10 at NL50. He doesn't have a straight so i don't mind a call here. I think you played fine.

Passive 19/7 is gonna have same range here, be it nl50 or nl200. "oh yeah i call this because we are at nl50 and everyone has random shit" is so false imo.

I can post tons of hands of myself at full ring from NL50 and NL100 of people calling down with A10 in this situation. I've stacked people on a daily basis at NL50/NL100 FR with overpairs and sets when they held stuff like K9o on a 239 board. I'm not arguing a set is in his range, but this is from personal experience from NL50-100 FR for 25$ in this 50$ pot i call and i'm happy.

wp

call

snapcall

he has a set occassionally but your getting 3-1

problem with c/c river as i see it is this.

The guy is passive

option 1 bet river

If you bet 3 streets you get value from Ax. If he has a set he is dumb for not raising it earlier in the hand 2 buyins deep but he might and in that case fold to his river shove after betting half pot or whatever yourself.

option 2 check call river

If you c/c you probably don't get value from a weaker Ax as a lot of those hands may check behind and he probably doesn't bluff (AF is .76 with a tight preflop range which means he doesn't bet or raise much). You just allow yourself to get valuetowned when he slowplayed a set to the river.

Option 3 c/f river

Pretty weak

edit (stacksizes) - I think 2 buyins deep he will call you with more speculative hands preflop and will always call 2 streets with his draws. He might expect you to 3street an ace so in his eyes he probably thinks he can get you off the pot even if he doesn't bluff often. C/c becomes a bit better in this case but not sure if its better than betting riv yourself.

since u checked here u basically have to call IMO unless u totally have a read that he enver ever bets AQ, AJ, A10 here and DOESN'T river bet missed flush draws. This is a decent spot for a gay blocker bet if u are worried about a set (for some reason???) and a 2 pair hand but to me it looks like 3 streets of value esp without specific read that I mentioned above

option 4 - cr/ai

That guy doesn't really bluff much if I remember, so he's probably trying to get value from a set here.

c/r ai seems pretty out of the question

This guy is passive as hell, he just wanted you to bet river so he can shove his set. Easy fold IMO.
If he had AQ he'd check back, and he knows you don't have a 3 so he's obviously not gunna bet with anything worse than a set here.