Awkward turn spot - 400nl

Villian is good reg running at about 23/19 but not a ton of history.
Thoughts on turn/riv and what villians range is for leading the turn 4way

Submitted by : Jamie217

POKERSTARS GAME #17456034880: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2008/05/15 - 19:33:53 (ET)
Table 'Ithaka IV' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: StarOfTheSea ($486 in chips)
Seat 2: BGnight ($400 in chips)
Seat 3: Jamie217 ($477 in chips)
Seat 4: athomebored1 ($144.10 in chips)
Seat 5: AA_Legend ($109.85 in chips)
BGnight: posts small blind $2
Jamie217 : posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Jamie217
athomebored1: folds
AA_Legend: calls $4
StarOfTheSea: calls $4
BGnight: calls $2
Jamie217 : raises $20 to $24
AA_Legend: calls $20
StarOfTheSea: calls $20
BGnight: calls $20

Flop (Pot : $96.00)

   
BGnight: checks
Jamie217 : checks
AA_Legend: checks
StarOfTheSea: checks

Turn (Pot : $96.00)

   
BGnight: bets $70
Jamie217 :

i would bet the flop just about always

as played i don't think there is value in raising turn... i would say his range for leadin out is K10, Kxss, Q10, J10, QJ, 910, 33, and maybe A10

river is pretty player dependant.. i'd be scared if he bet out strong.. tho i don't know if i could fold because it would look like you have JQ at best.. (4th edit: assuming river is a blank)

are u check/folding the flop? its prob a fold as played cuz u are behind a lot of stuff he's leading with i'd imagine and its not rly a good card for him to bluff either ;s

bluff raising would be bad

Man.... I don't know if I can let this go right here just yet, The raise pf is leaving me ??????? . I call here and eval river I guess

he never limps ATo here, your hand is always good unless he has T9/33, on that note call / see river

On May 15 2008 19:26 TalentedTom wrote: he never limps ATo here, your hand is always good unless he has T9/33, on that note call / see river

Tom,

i love how u say what i'm trying to say in 1k less words and without 3 edits... god i'm horrible at posting

Ok I flatted... river was a T and he bet 145$ into 236

thats the prob imo, your not really flatting a big hand on the turn (or checking it on the flop) so your getting put into gay river spots

On May 15 2008 19:57 Jamie217 wrote: Ok I flatted... river was an A and he bet 145$ into 236

now u fold

wow Im retarded... river was a T sorry

On May 15 2008 20:52 Jamie217 wrote: wow Im retarded... river was a T sorry

i'd still fold i think

tho the more i think about it i can't see what he can really have here unless its A10/air

No clue why you wouldn't just bet the flop :|

Just make it easy on yourself and bet flop and be done with the hand afterwards.

he never has air here and you are beating 10x/QJ. i like your line, fold river.

betting 54 on the flop is another good alternative. if the shortie jams we can call, if he jams and there is an overcall/reraise we can fold, if anyone else raises we can safely fold/go with our read.

ok sounds good, I was actually villian in this hand and had ATo and got looked up by BGnight's KJ on the river. I thought that my hand was fairly transparent by the river and that I was not going to get paid off by anything I beat even though I dont know if there is much else I could have done