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tae-g   United States. May 14 2008 12:09. Posts 1776

I think this was a good fold, but I'm not positive. I called pf because the whole table called. I dont think c/r can really be good because its turning my hand into a bluff most of the time. His range preflop is pretty wide, and I think when he raises the flop his range is like AQ,AK,TT-AA,QJ, and a few other random hands.

Anyone propose a different range or think check/call is good or any other suggestions?

Submitted by : tae-g

PokerStars Game #17424460942: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/05/14 - 12:42:40 (ET)
Table 'Hveen' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: MONDINO ($65.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Wansiman ($85.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($129.60 in chips)
Seat 4: scuzIbut077 ($121.45 in chips)
Seat 5: MSkibo2 ($131 in chips)
Seat 6: okutai ($106.55 in chips)
Wansiman: posts small blind $0.50
Hero : posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to Hero TsJc
scuzIbut077: folds
MSkibo2: raises $3 to $4
okutai: folds
MONDINO: calls $4
Wansiman: calls $3.50
Hero : calls $3

Flop (Pot : $16.00)

   QdTdJh
Wansiman: checks
Hero : bets $12
MSkibo2: raises $24 to $36
MONDINO: folds
Wansiman: folds
Hero : folds
Uncalled bet ($24) returned to MSkibo2
MSkibo2 collected $38.05 from pot
MSkibo2: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $40 | Rake $1.95
Board  QdTdJh
Seat 1: MONDINO (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Wansiman (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Hero (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: scuzIbut077 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: MSkibo2 collected ($38.05)
Seat 6: okutai folded before Flop (didn't bet)

lead/fold is good?

Diagonals: oh hai guise wats goin on at this table 

tae-g   United States. May 14 2008 12:11. Posts 1776

and KQ is also in his raising range on the flop I guess

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tae-g   United States. May 14 2008 14:05. Posts 1776

Come on! No one wants to even randomly come in and say "WTF LOL ALLIN"?

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TalentedTom    Canada. May 14 2008 15:07. Posts 9162

squeeze preflop

A Handicapped parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually in fact a warning, that the spot belongs to Chuck Norris and that you will be handicapped if you park there. 

tae-g   United States. May 14 2008 15:32. Posts 1776

but as played...?

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Jussi   Sweden. May 14 2008 15:38. Posts 34

bet/fold looks good, hes never bluffing here


TimDawg   United States. May 14 2008 16:15. Posts 5577


  On May 14 2008 15:07 TalentedTom wrote:
fold preflop so you never get into these situations

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck manLast edit: 14/05/2008 16:15

Twisted    Netherlands. May 15 2008 04:16. Posts 6302

Stacks of all these players makes this a perfect squeeze spot.


traktor   Czech Republic. May 15 2008 05:16. Posts 164


  On May 15 2008 04:16 Twisted wrote:
Stacks of all these players makes this a perfect squeeze spot.


?
Seat 1: MONDINO ($65.35 in chips)


Oly   United Kingdom. May 15 2008 06:25. Posts 984

As played, lead/fold is fine. It's pretty impossible to get allin more than slightly ahead here. Calling is out of the question as if you flat, almost any turn will lead you to make big big mistakes oop, and he'll have monster equity whatever he has that you'd be giving a free card to.

Squeeze or fold preflop every time I'd say.


tae-g   United States. May 15 2008 09:18. Posts 1776

Thank you for responding to the hand as played.

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PandaSaurus   Australia. May 15 2008 10:03. Posts 1514

As played I think maybe a check/raise could be better.

By betting here you have to pretty much fold to any raise unless he's really crazy. I think leading your hand is turning it into a bluff, whereas a check/raise line looks much stronger (but also turning your hand into a bluff as you say).

Looking at villain's range though, there aren't a lot of hands he should be folding here (if your range is accurate).

I think both leading and check/raising are fine, but the hand is definitely a fold. His play indicates he isn't folding so I don't have any dramas with it.

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tarath   United States. May 16 2008 13:49. Posts 101

c/r is much much better for the reasons panda gave.


 


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