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nl200 tt in 3bet pot with short and deep stack


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jully   Bulgaria. May 13 2008 16:38. Posts 157

the short is 35/10 na the deep stack is 60/22
what do you think about the preflop call ,do you think it's a litle spewy because of the shortstack ??
and what do you think about the flop bet with the short behind me??
10x

Submitted by : jully

** Game ID 2008972385 starting - 2008-05-14 00:20:59
** Josue [Hold 'em] (1.00|2.00 NL - $ Cash Game) Real Money
- vadde sitting in seat 1 with $74.95
- wauw sitting in seat 2 with $388.58
- McNiller sitting in seat 3 with $284.50
- Hero sitting in seat 4 with $334.55 [Dealer]
- daNteMan sitting in seat 5 with $196.00
- G0Gators sitting in seat 6 with $197.00
daNteMan posted the small blind - $1.00
G0Gators posted the big blind - $2.00

Holecards
   TdTh
vadde raised - $4.00
wauw raised - $18.00
McNiller folded
Hero called - $18.00
daNteMan folded
G0Gators folded
vadde called - $18.00

Flop (Pot : $57.00)

   JdJs8h
vadde checked
wauw bet - $28.50



Muhweli   Finland. May 13 2008 17:16. Posts 9320

If the deeper stack is an aggressive 3-bettor, I can see why he'd do this preflop to isolate with a hand that's ahead of the shorties range.
I also think calling has disadvantages here compared to 4-bet.

Many aggressive players like to abuse minraisers because they're generally pretty weak. Then again this guy's opening from UTG and getting reraised by an aggro guy. When you flat, you leave your flank open for the shortie to push and then for the initial reraiser to re-isolate. Obviously if he folded to shortie's push, you would call since 200nl short stackers are just horrible (the stats show that).

I think 4-betting here is good because:
1) you're not getting shoved one 1.5bi deep
2) you have position so even if you get called, you have more power
3) makes it easier to play against the short stack

I'd say 4-betting to something like $58 here is the best choice if you choose to play. I think flatting generally turns your hand face up a little.

As played, call flop or minraise!!

Everytime you minraise, God kills a fish. 

ggplz   United Kingdom. May 13 2008 19:46. Posts 11838

call flop imo, i dont mind how you played it so far either

the first amendment protects my right to SHIP IT - Day[9] 

ShaunR   United States. May 13 2008 20:57. Posts 489

As played you have to at least call the flop, but preflop I'd rather 4bet or fold. Mostly 4bet with your read.

Are we set mining? There's a bazillion flops we're not going to be happy with.

 Last edit: 13/05/2008 21:13

tarath   United States. May 16 2008 13:52. Posts 101

as played I peel at least one.

I like a 4bet too though.


 


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