KK a lil Deep

Hmm I really think u r way behind here.U have 160 bb,the villan covers so the question is whether he can call with hands like JTs,78s,89s oop,as well as ATs+.If he can do that then the results from pokerstove

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42,570 games 0.005 secs 8,514,000 games/sec

Board: 7h 8h 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.592% 39.10% 01.49% 16644 636.00 { KdKs }
Hand 1: 59.408% 57.91% 01.49% 24654 636.00 { JJ-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s }

And when you say he can play made hands like this then the fold is good.

This is an extremely tough position.
I would say this guy is more LAG than TAG, I got into a few awkward spots with him yesterday.
One pot that might shed light on this hand is that he called a 3bet with ATs, and just flatted my cbet on a 89J flop, which I think a lot of people would shove in that position.

So this sort of leads me to believe your beat here

Youre all a bit optimistic in your calculations.

eh, are you 3betting a ton of hands utg+2 vs utg+1?

stnd is flat pre imo -.-

unless you generally bring the noise really hard

For what I know about GHand, he is pretty tight when going allin, so eventhough I probably would have problems folding it, it seems like a good fold to me.

And I agree with Myth that call pf might be better given positions unless u reraise wide ranges pf.

On May 14 2008 05:37 [vital]Myth wrote: eh, are you 3betting a ton of hands utg+2 vs utg+1? stnd is flat pre imo -.- unless you generally bring the noise really hard

omg sick FR nits.
that being said this is only 7 handed.

Flatting preflop with KK is stnd? Wat?

On May 14 2008 13:52 JonnyCosMo wrote: Flatting preflop with KK is stnd? Wat?

bc when you 3b people who are utg or utg+1 in FR, they almost never play a big pot without either AA or flopping a hand that beats AA

which means you should 3bet them mercilessly with any 2 at all times

which will force them to adjust if you really bring the noise

which will then turn KK into a standard 3b for value

pooruser fighting etc

also if the game dynamic is a lot different bc of 7 handed (and you think the OR is adjusting accordingly), then 3b KK pre is v stnd

and mehhhhhhhh if you think he 4b AA, blehhhhhhhhhh sick life. prob fold here bc the fact that it's such a huge bet (imo) is an indication of the top of his range. i think with stacks this deep, MOST people with draws are far more likely to check/raise you small, trying to look super strong but maintaining some minor degree of pot control in case of a horrible turn. whereas if stacks were 100BB, a larger bet like a check/shove would be MORE likely to be a draw. so when the stacks are deep, i think a check/shove is gonna be a set a lot more than a FD

fwiw i actually expect most standard FR players to give you a lot less opportunity to make mistakes if you just bet 1/2 pot on this type of flop. they see that they're getting good odds and are oop and you look strong, so they play their big draws passively and make enormous raises with their sets.

also, against a lot of nitty-side opponents, i consider checking behind on this flop because i want to show my hand down and i don't think he'll play a big pot without a range that kills me.

flat KK? woooot, god FR is so awful.

I believe that if Midian moves to fullring the universe would implode.

On May 14 2008 14:15 [vital]Myth wrote: fwiw i actually expect most standard FR players to give you a lot less opportunity to make mistakes if you just bet 1/2 pot on this type of flop. they see that they're getting good odds and are oop and you look strong, so they play their big draws passively and make enormous raises with their sets. also, against a lot of nitty-side opponents, i consider checking behind on this flop because i want to show my hand down and i don't think he'll play a big pot without a range that kills me.

NOW YOU NEED TO USE YOUR KNOWLEDGE TO WIN MONEY!

On May 14 2008 05:37 [vital]Myth wrote: eh, are you 3betting a ton of hands utg+2 vs utg+1? stnd is flat pre imo -.- unless you generally bring the noise really hard

Joke? Standard is 3bet UTG with AK+ for value, and other rubbish to mix your range up

There are like 3 players who that doesn't apply to, and this dude certainly isn't one of them

of course it's not a joke

i'm not saying KK isn't valuable, i'm saying there's more value in playing your hand trappily

true though 5/10 regs tend to be a lot less nitty than 2/4 3/6, where like 50% of regs have < 10% pfr

On May 14 2008 21:09 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On May 14 2008 14:15 [vital]Myth wrote: fwiw i actually expect most standard FR players to give you a lot less opportunity to make mistakes if you just bet 1/2 pot on this type of flop. they see that they're getting good odds and are oop and you look strong, so they play their big draws passively and make enormous raises with their sets. also, against a lot of nitty-side opponents, i consider checking behind on this flop because i want to show my hand down and i don't think he'll play a big pot without a range that kills me. NOW YOU NEED TO USE YOUR KNOWLEDGE TO WIN MONEY!

wat

hes green and has a four foot long penis why does he need money

On May 15 2008 07:29 Rekrul wrote: hes green and has a four foot long penis why does he need money

oh stop, you're making me blush

but when i blush it's just green with more rage