KK a lil Deep

Submitted by : wobbly_au

PokerStars Game #17399420096: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/05/13 - 10:29:43 (ET)
Table 'Hudrus V' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Vassilis_GRE ($478.45 in chips)
Seat 2: venkanto ($190 in chips)
Seat 3: ricardo5507 ($333 in chips)
Seat 4: gondii ($867 in chips)
Seat 7: GHand69 ($2005 in chips)
Seat 8: wobbly_au ($1661 in chips)
Seat 9: leajade ($560 in chips)
venkanto: posts small blind $5
ricardo5507: posts big blind $10
moondog77: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to wobbly_au
gondii: folds
GHand69: raises $25 to $35
wobbly_au : raises $85 to $120
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leajade: folds
Vassilis_GRE: folds
venkanto: folds
ricardo5507: folds
GHand69: calls $85

Flop (Pot : $255.00)

   
GHand69: checks
wobbly_au : bets $220
GHand69: raises $1665 to $1885 and is all-in
wobbly_au : folds
Uncalled bet ($1665) returned to GHand69
GHand69 collected $692 from pot
GHand69: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $695 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: Vassilis_GRE (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: venkanto (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ricardo5507 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: gondii folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: GHand69 collected ($692)
Seat 8: wobbly_au folded on the Flop
Seat 9: leajade folded before Flop (didn't bet)

does he shove 77-88-99?

most people would just raise, this LOOKS drawy but he might very well make it seem like that on purpose so your history is important

i think he definitely can shove 77/88/99 we dont have much history but he may think i call light, coz i once called his preflop jam with AJs

pm from lachlan

can u post this for me? thanks 210,870 games 0.005 secs 42,174,000 games/sec Board: 7h 8h 9s Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 44.638% 41.61% 03.03% 87747 6381.00 { KK } Hand 1: 55.362% 52.34% 03.03% 110361 6381.00 { QQ+, TT-66, AhKh, AhQh } --- 457,185,168 games 0.005 secs 91,437,033,600 games/sec Board: Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 71.321% 70.05% 01.27% 320241837 5825746.50 { KK } Hand 1: 28.679% 27.41% 01.27% 125291838 5825746.50 { QQ+, TT-66, AhKh, AhQh } ---

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Hmm I really think u r way behind here.U have 160 bb,the villan covers so the question is whether he can call with hands like JTs,78s,89s oop,as well as ATs+.If he can do that then the results from pokerstove

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

42,570 games 0.005 secs 8,514,000 games/sec

Board: 7h 8h 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.592% 39.10% 01.49% 16644 636.00 { KdKs }
Hand 1: 59.408% 57.91% 01.49% 24654 636.00 { JJ-66, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s }

And when you say he can play made hands like this then the fold is good.

This is an extremely tough position.
I would say this guy is more LAG than TAG, I got into a few awkward spots with him yesterday.
One pot that might shed light on this hand is that he called a 3bet with ATs, and just flatted my cbet on a 89J flop, which I think a lot of people would shove in that position.

So this sort of leads me to believe your beat here

Youre all a bit optimistic in your calculations.

eh, are you 3betting a ton of hands utg+2 vs utg+1?

stnd is flat pre imo -.-

unless you generally bring the noise really hard

For what I know about GHand, he is pretty tight when going allin, so eventhough I probably would have problems folding it, it seems like a good fold to me.

And I agree with Myth that call pf might be better given positions unless u reraise wide ranges pf.

On May 14 2008 05:37 [vital]Myth wrote: eh, are you 3betting a ton of hands utg+2 vs utg+1? stnd is flat pre imo -.- unless you generally bring the noise really hard

omg sick FR nits.
that being said this is only 7 handed.

Flatting preflop with KK is stnd? Wat?

On May 14 2008 13:52 JonnyCosMo wrote: Flatting preflop with KK is stnd? Wat?

bc when you 3b people who are utg or utg+1 in FR, they almost never play a big pot without either AA or flopping a hand that beats AA

which means you should 3bet them mercilessly with any 2 at all times

which will force them to adjust if you really bring the noise

which will then turn KK into a standard 3b for value

pooruser fighting etc

also if the game dynamic is a lot different bc of 7 handed (and you think the OR is adjusting accordingly), then 3b KK pre is v stnd

and mehhhhhhhh if you think he 4b AA, blehhhhhhhhhh sick life. prob fold here bc the fact that it's such a huge bet (imo) is an indication of the top of his range. i think with stacks this deep, MOST people with draws are far more likely to check/raise you small, trying to look super strong but maintaining some minor degree of pot control in case of a horrible turn. whereas if stacks were 100BB, a larger bet like a check/shove would be MORE likely to be a draw. so when the stacks are deep, i think a check/shove is gonna be a set a lot more than a FD

fwiw i actually expect most standard FR players to give you a lot less opportunity to make mistakes if you just bet 1/2 pot on this type of flop. they see that they're getting good odds and are oop and you look strong, so they play their big draws passively and make enormous raises with their sets.

also, against a lot of nitty-side opponents, i consider checking behind on this flop because i want to show my hand down and i don't think he'll play a big pot without a range that kills me.

flat KK? woooot, god FR is so awful.

I believe that if Midian moves to fullring the universe would implode.

On May 14 2008 14:15 [vital]Myth wrote: fwiw i actually expect most standard FR players to give you a lot less opportunity to make mistakes if you just bet 1/2 pot on this type of flop. they see that they're getting good odds and are oop and you look strong, so they play their big draws passively and make enormous raises with their sets. also, against a lot of nitty-side opponents, i consider checking behind on this flop because i want to show my hand down and i don't think he'll play a big pot without a range that kills me.

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