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nlloser60   . May 09 2008 06:59. Posts 64

http://www.liquidpoker.net/hand/hand.php?hand=440586 - VPIP: 68, PFR: 22
what was the optimal line after turn? b/f on the river or check/call (to get info about his hand)?
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http://www.liquidpoker.net/hand/hand.php?hand=440600 - VPIP: 16, pfr: 14 (172 hands) - According to the stats, does it mean his holding is KK/AA? Was my play really ev-?
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http://www.liquidpoker.net/hand/hand.php?hand=440629 - VPIP: 8, pfr: 5 -ez fold?
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http://www.liquidpoker.net/hand/hand.php?hand=440633 - Was that river reraise ev-?


rogier   Netherlands. May 09 2008 07:10. Posts 1017

bet/call at hand 1, youre only losing to any jack

ive never seen anyone at nl25 with those stats get it in with less as QQ, its -ev

i'd probably willing to play AK for stacks on that board, you're splitting the pot quite often though

no riv raise isnt -ev, you've underrepresented your hand+he might as well have a naked king

 Last edit: 09/05/2008 07:11

ToT)MidiaN(   United Kingdom. May 09 2008 07:23. Posts 3472

1) just bet the turn and get it all in, you are missing a lot of value from flush draws and weaker aces playing it the way you did. if he has a jack more power to him.

2) i think you have to pitch it at this limit, nobody at these limits are cold 4betting without QQ+ and possibly not even QQ. However it's a little bit more tricky by the fact you only have ~75bb at the table, I still think it's a fold though since you're seeing KK or AA all day vs someone with those stats at these limits.

3) preflop you can reraise, but he is 8/5 afterall so calling is fine too. the flop you can c/r but you probably blow him off of almost everything except like AQ, maybe AJ and whatever beats you. i don't like the turn lead out at all, especially if you're folding to a raise, it just doesnt really accomplish much. i hope you're not doing this to "see where you are" because that's a really horrible reason to lead out. i think finding an optimal way of actually playing this hand depends a lot on the player. if he's just a nit as 8/5 suggests there's really not much you can do other than just call down 3 streets and hope to beat AQ or whatever since if you give him action at any point by check raising you're probably gonna blow him off of almost his entire range. This would be a good spot to put in a flop c/r bluff with pretty much any 2 cards, and if he has less than AJ/AQ he's gonna fold, also there's probably few Ax hands in his range altogether because of his low pre flop raise, maybe like ATs+, and maybe not even that loose. Sometimes you can induce bluffs with the line you took and thus call turn/call river or induce bluffs by leading flop or if he never folds like JJ to 3 donkbets you can take that line too.

4) with a gutshot and nut flush draw you should really just cbet the flop, even if you're not getting folds all that often into this many players on this board your equity is just so good vs anything (still 40% or so vs a set and a flip at the worst vs anything less than 2 pair) and you get to juice the pot a little for when you do hit your flush and can keep betting it (as i would've done on the turn here and got it all in at any point). as played, you should just raise the turn because there's only $3 gone in the pot, and you want much more going in there, also lots of bad river cards can come that will kill your action, such as any diamond, a king, eight, seven or ten are obviously bad cards too.

in all of these hands you played very weakly, turning made hands into bluff, missing tons of value with strong hands, and the 2nd hand was a bad stack off at these limits.

I never worry about action, only inaction 

nlloser60   . May 09 2008 14:04. Posts 64

Thanks for the indepth anylisis guys, especially ToT)MidiaN( . I'll try to improve next time and I'll post some more hands.
BTW. ToT)MidiaN(, did you read this thread by mistake? I thought, players like you don't read threads in a low stakes section .


 


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