[NL200] 2 pair facing C/R

Opponent is a good 21/18/4.6 regular. Do you check behind on the turn and, regardless what would you do, what's you decision as played?

Submitted by : Kapol

PokerStars Game #17303508371: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/09 - 04:33:45 (ET)
Table 'Guangdong II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DennisGPunkt ($290.95 in chips)
Seat 2: sniderstyle ($193 in chips)
Seat 4: Sonny CEO. ($151.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Kapol ($518.90 in chips)
DennisGPunkt: posts small blind $1
sniderstyle: posts big blind $2
mwproject: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to Kapol
Sonny CEO.: folds
Mr. Diamond1 said, "nh"
Kapol : raises $6 to $8
DennisGPunkt: calls $7
sniderstyle: folds

Flop (Pot : $18.00)

   
DennisGPunkt: checks
Mr. Diamond1 said, " i had the Q"
Kapol : bets $12
Mr. Diamond1 has returned
DennisGPunkt: calls $12

Turn (Pot : $42.00)

   
DennisGPunkt: checks
Kapol : bets $25
DennisGPunkt: raises $80 to $105
Kapol :

I bet turn and I consider my hand the 3rd nuts behind JsQs and 88. If he has 88 he's really bad and he shouldn't play JQ like this either so I'd put him on something stupid and shove.

The only nonbluff hand you possibly beat is Axs, and that would be an unusual play here from a solid regular. I think he has JQss a lot here, even though that may seem rather specific, and sometimes 88. You beat KT, but I'd want some evidence that he can badly overvalue hands first, and you can be splitting sometimes. I think this is a tight fold because there is absolutely no reason to think he is making a very strange bluff here, and you only beat a bluff since there are few semibluffs he can now have and it seems hard for him to be valuebetting worse.

Definitely bet turn though - you can't really expect this after he didn't check/raise the flop and your hand still needs lots of protection.

Bet turn more and your decision becomes easier. Now he could think you're weak by your 25$ bet and put you to the test, but right now you have no idea what to do. If you bet 35 on turn it would be easier.

Right now I think you have to fold =[.

i would bet a little bit more on flop and on turn

Opponent is a good 21/18/4.6 regular.
You have answered your own question, this is a clear fold.
Good to see you on NL200 and no, i dont think he is ever raising it with a worse hand here.

I don't see how it's possible someone playing 21/18/4.6 and a good thinking player can flat QJs on that flop (or 88 for that matter but that's closer). He can easily have something like KT or a pair and draw on the turn so I think you should shove for value.

meh u need more reads to make a good decision here.. what was your reasoning for betting so small on the turn?
I think u should push here.. 88 is the only hand im really scared of. AK and QJs are possibles, but theres equal amounts of other possibilities imo and u have 4 outs vs almost anything.

i guess KK and even AA are possible too, but since u bet so small im not inclined to fold.

this guy always 3bet strong hands, he may have another AT here i guess, and ye he may have played 88 like that, was he like 16 tabling or smth close to that ?? he do so frequently, if yes its probably a fold cause it makes it harder for him to make a move

i highly doubt a normal NL200 regular would value raise this turn with anything less than what we have 150bb's deep.

generally at these stakes when villain raises in these spots their ranges are extremely polarized making this a fairly ez fold. If you 2 have agressive history and previous loose action i might peel a river here as played. but yea as everyone else is saying i woulda bet bigger on flop/turn so I wouldn't be in such an awkward spot such as this.

I think he has 88 here and was just playing slow hoping no spade fell before making his move.

88 makes sense for sure, but we fold just because theres one logical hand that beats us?

On May 09 2008 02:26 DustySwedeDude wrote: I bet turn and I consider my hand the 3rd nuts behind JsQs and 88. If he has 88 he's really bad and he shouldn't play JQ like this either so I'd put him on something stupid and shove.

same thoughts here.

bet flop and turn bigger
flop-13-15/turn 32-36 he can sense weakness with this 25 bet on the turn

i think 12 on the flop is fine but I definitely think a 32-37 bet on the turn is necessary. As played; fold.