We're experiencing the beginning of the end

On May 08 2008 21:35 bigbb33 wrote: "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

even from my limited experience with poker i think it's pretty clear that it's the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the end of the beginning

I have not read thread but if the games are getting tougher, its cause your not improving fast enough.

now u have to accept that fact that u need to make a hand and then wait for other ppl to make hands instead of pot pot pot and get value from 3rd pair

and thus lower winrate

lewl

On May 08 2008 14:22 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 13:25 tae-g wrote: New people are born every day...think about it. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

none whatsoever

On May 08 2008 22:45 collegesucks wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 21:35 bigbb33 wrote: "Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." even from my limited experience with poker i think it's pretty clear that it's the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end of the end of the beginning

Your limited experience with WW2 shows that you don't understand that there may be an intermediate period between the beginning and the end, possibly called the middle.

On May 08 2008 16:24 TianYuan wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 15:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: personally I _hope_ you're right I think you're not though and I believe asia is the reason Dude wtf? Eri why would you *WANT* poker to go away?

cuz online poker kinda sucks
I mean ive won a significant amount this year and never lost total and ive enjoyed the money ive won and everything
but I just dont see how anyone other than the lucky few who win + pokersites benefit from it all
I like live poker / poker played recreationally. then it's cool. but giving all the brightest young teenagers the ability to make money doing nothing productive is just bound to backfire eventually. it's just not a healthy activity way to make a living, not for the people involved nor for society.

i do think playing and winning is cool though. and the whole, people ruining their lives cause of it doesnt bother me that much, as it is "their own choice" or whatever. a little when its some dad with children who suffer cause of it but I don't think that's generally the case. it's just that well, online poker makes some individuals, normally intelligent ones, make lots of money, which works as a de-motivator for doing anything actually productive and contributive, and other individuals, whom actually spend most of their time doing something productive and contributive (which is how they afford gambling), to lose money, and some giant moneyhogging bastards residing in tax paradises to make millions due to these "transactions" that I think are bad in the first place.

i mean i really try to say this without meaning any offense to any poker player cause there's like, no intention from my part to say that well, you guys are bad, you're just taking opportunities that anyone would take, (and that I have to some degree taken myself)
its just that society doesnt benefit from it at all, and I think on a long term basis, nor will a vast majority of those who try to play poker professionally. which you might disagree with, that's your prerogative.

that sound like a big hipocrecy to me eri

i guess it is, but we all are so its okay.

point is, I think doing nothing all day is cool and if it's something I can do while making lots of money, i'll do it
however if everyone has that option, nothing gets done and society begins to suck.

thus while I enjoy doing nothing productive, I don't think it's good to give me that option. poker is kind of like a really, really extreme welfare. however while welfare gives you enough to survive, it doesnt give you enough to thrive socially, in fact it puts you on the bottom rung of society, thus it's only something the laziest of the lazy and those without dreams will "do for a living", unless they really don't have much of a choice. internet poker gives people in their late teens/ early twenties the ability to be economically successful in a way that was impossible without inheriting money before. and well, it sucks, cause that's the period of time where those same people would have been motivated to do a great job in university so they could eventually attain economical success later. internet poker thus works as a de-motivator for the ones smart enough to master it ; to a large degree the ones who would otherwise make society progress.

but its very important to note that the "villain" in my scenario is not poker, nor poker players, but internet poker institutionalized in a way that makes it possible to do nothing but play.

the same can be said for options traders, real estate investors, and quite a few other things.

i kinda have the same opinion in regard to many of those professions but they're not accessible to "every man" in the same way online poker is. just because other professions are also bad doesnt make poker good. the "other way" for non-inheriting teenagers to attain large wealth has, the past couple decades, been through dealing drugs. I think poker is better than that. (well not really cause I kind of like drugs but you get my point )

either you're slingin' crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot...ya feel me?

On May 09 2008 20:00 tae-g wrote: either you're slingin' crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot...ya feel me?

what a reference A+

Well you can always make some site like.. lets say... GosuPoker, with some neat design, flashy graphics, and start giving bad advise. That could compesate LP an CR.

Eri is clearly unaware how the internet work... its just like downloading movies, i dont want it to be wrong or illegal, therefore it isnt. standard stuff.

My impression is that there are many, many, many people in Norway that has the same view of poker as Eriador.

On May 09 2008 15:51 Liquid`Drone wrote: i guess it is, but we all are so its okay. point is, I think doing nothing all day is cool and if it's something I can do while making lots of money, i'll do it however if everyone has that option, nothing gets done and society begins to suck. thus while I enjoy doing nothing productive, I don't think it's good to give me that option. poker is kind of like a really, really extreme welfare. however while welfare gives you enough to survive, it doesnt give you enough to thrive socially, in fact it puts you on the bottom rung of society, thus it's only something the laziest of the lazy and those without dreams will "do for a living", unless they really don't have much of a choice. internet poker gives people in their late teens/ early twenties the ability to be economically successful in a way that was impossible without inheriting money before. and well, it sucks, cause that's the period of time where those same people would have been motivated to do a great job in university so they could eventually attain economical success later. internet poker thus works as a de-motivator for the ones smart enough to master it ; to a large degree the ones who would otherwise make society progress. but its very important to note that the "villain" in my scenario is not poker, nor poker players, but internet poker institutionalized in a way that makes it possible to do nothing but play.

I've had these thoughts as well.

Oh well... Where my fishes at?

I remember having this same conversation with Skot.

I couldn't agree more with Maynard. But time will tell if we are right about that or not I suppose.

GL :D

On May 08 2008 04:32 Maynard! wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 04:28 byrnesam wrote: its probably over for americans... Yea I guess I haven't given a hard look to the Euro-sites. There's also a possibility of a big asian boom (that would be AMAZING). I just know that stars is getting somewhat rough. Good tables are now defined when a regular is tilting and you have position as opposed to having an idiot playing 40/30 spewing chips.

The big asian boom is gonna hit by late 2009-2010, so if you can hold out till then, you're gonna ride the asian wave. online poker is just starting to take off in the phlippines and HK; likely after mid-2009, Chinese visiting macau will no longer have visa restrictions (there are some areas of China where it is difficult to get a visa to come to Macau) and by 2010 all the mega casinos in Macau will be done and PS, just launched a poker room in Macau a couple of days ago.
So, just my personal opinon, have no fear people, the online poker companies are just as concerned as you to find new fish for the regular sharkies out there or in business speak, new markets to support and augment the exisitng player base. keke.

On May 09 2008 15:51 Liquid`Drone wrote: i guess it is, but we all are so its okay. point is, I think doing nothing all day is cool and if it's something I can do while making lots of money, i'll do it however if everyone has that option, nothing gets done and society begins to suck. thus while I enjoy doing nothing productive, I don't think it's good to give me that option. poker is kind of like a really, really extreme welfare. however while welfare gives you enough to survive, it doesnt give you enough to thrive socially, in fact it puts you on the bottom rung of society, thus it's only something the laziest of the lazy and those without dreams will "do for a living", unless they really don't have much of a choice. internet poker gives people in their late teens/ early twenties the ability to be economically successful in a way that was impossible without inheriting money before. and well, it sucks, cause that's the period of time where those same people would have been motivated to do a great job in university so they could eventually attain economical success later. internet poker thus works as a de-motivator for the ones smart enough to master it ; to a large degree the ones who would otherwise make society progress. but its very important to note that the "villain" in my scenario is not poker, nor poker players, but internet poker institutionalized in a way that makes it possible to do nothing but play.

this view holds true, if only you are under the assumption that a successful poker player, won't do much else and just play poker.
some people are using their poker "income" as a stepping stone to get into other areas of business and/or investing.
giving to charity is also another means to "give back" to society.

What really makes me wonder is how in hell did Rekrul manage to go broke ?
He had like 400K from online winnings + 400K from WSOP + being one hell of a good Poker player
How can u be stupid enough to bust 800K in 1 year ?

If there is a thread about this link me plz