We're experiencing the beginning of the end

On May 08 2008 13:25 tae-g wrote: New people are born every day...think about it.

Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

still easy

On May 08 2008 13:47 Twisted wrote: He was famous? He was a pretty solid reg on crypto. Anyway, I just take a look at brood war and see that the same people who were good 5 years ago and still playing are still on top of the game (looking at the non-korean scene), i.e. mondragon. Brood War has evolved a shitload over the past 3 years but there are still bad players (bad regulars) and really good players (good regulars) who still bring innovative shit to the game. That adaptivity is what sets apart good poker players from average poker players. If you strive to be that good player there's no way the games won't be profitable for you. Everyone gets better, so should you. Don't whine when people catch up because your rate of progression sucks.

You can't analogize the two really. Brood war isn't sustained by players in the bottom rung.

I don't know why everyone is being so forceful in stating that reducing the player pool of people who merely play for fun and donate won't have an impact.

I guess I'm just being too much of a downer.

On May 08 2008 14:22 TalentedTom wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 13:25 tae-g wrote: New people are born every day...think about it. Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I am likewise skeptical.

if you had like 40k to your name Rek who gave u the BR to play those fishes?

personally I _hope_ you're right

I think you're not though and I believe asia is the reason

Games are fine and will be for quite some time.. Enough to make enough money for a lifetime it seems.

On May 08 2008 15:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: personally I _hope_ you're right I think you're not though and I believe asia is the reason

Dude wtf? Eri why would you *WANT* poker to go away?

I think all Maynard is trying to say is that the games are getting tougher at a faster rate than they had been previously...mostly due to stuff like UIGEA, increased access to poker strategy, etc. It's obviously more or less impossible to make some kind of wholly objective and blanket statement about the level of toughness across all of online poker, but I'd tend to agree with his assessment.

It's possible to hold the above opinion while *also* believing that talented, dedicated players will be able to continue beating the games for a very good clip for a long time to come...it's just that their hourly rate will likely be less than it would have been had the UIGEA never come into effect, or things like 2+2 / LP.net / Cardrunners didn't exist.

EDIT:

As I alluded to above, I also feel like it's very difficult for any single individual to accurately chart the softness of games over time. Most of us have very limited windows into the poker economy:

1.) People tend to only play on a single site, play a single genre of poker, and play a very small range of limits.

2.) Win-rates take a long time to converge, and we're apt to place too much importance on our own win-rate over a small time frame when making judgments about the overall softness of a particular game.

Similarly, it's really hard to know which variables are impacting the games the most. I'm theorizing that the UIGEA + poker training sites have a big impact, but I could be totally off base. Maybe a large portion of the poker economy had been funded by a non-renewable source of capital which is now drying up, and the 'renewable' portion of money flowing into the economy isn't large enough to sustain the growing number of competent players?

Etc, etc.

On May 08 2008 16:40 Pillars wrote: I think all Maynard is trying to say is that the games are getting tougher at a faster rate than they had been previously...mostly due to stuff like UIGEA, increased access to poker strategy, etc. It's obviously more or less impossible to make some kind of wholly objective and blanket statement about the level of toughness across all of online poker, but I'd tend to agree with his assessment. It's possible to hold the above opinion while *also* believing that talented, dedicated players will be able to continue beating the games for a very good clip for a long time to come...it's just that their hourly rate will likely be less than it would have been had the UIGEA never come into effect, or things like 2+2 / LP.net / Cardrunners didn't exist. EDIT: As I alluded to above, I also feel like it's very difficult for any single individual to accurately chart the softness of games over time. Most of us have very limited windows into the poker economy: 1.) People tend to only play on a single site, play a single genre of poker, and play a very small range of limits. 2.) Win-rates take a long time to converge, and we're apt to place too much importance on our own win-rate over a small time frame when making judgments about the overall softness of a particular game. Similarly, it's really hard to know which variables are impacting the games the most. I'm theorizing that the UIGEA + poker training sites have a big impact, but I could be totally off base. Maybe a large portion of the poker economy had been funded by a non-renewable source of capital which is now drying up, and the 'renewable' portion of money flowing into the economy isn't large enough to sustain the growing number of competent players? Etc, etc.

Didn't think of that. I like a bathtub analogy. Abathtub that is draining faster than the faucet is filling. A few years ago the bathtub was filling quicker than what was draining out.

On May 08 2008 13:51 Catul wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 13:37 VanDerMeyde wrote:   On May 08 2008 08:52 Rekrul wrote: WHO IS MONSTER85 You took Oyvind Riisems nick ? There was a famous norwegian player under the nick "monster85" playing on crypto network before, he changed to "Staalmusa" now thou. Let me guess why he took it : - Monster poker... check - born in 1985... check MONSTER85 IS BORN I guess several good players were born that year !

ok!

Btw Eriador is running bad :D

Online poker is getting tougher, but not enough for me. I think we're gonna have problems in 10 years or so. Then we switch to live poker

TOTALLY off topic:

What uni are you at maynard? what are you studying? ^_^

ppl will always tilt, dont be one of them

online poker is ez just run like p3achy_keen!

On May 08 2008 15:20 Baal wrote: if you had like 40k to your name Rek who gave u the BR to play those fishes?

giyom was showing rainkhan the site then rainkhan offered to stake me 30k for it so i said ok first session i was up 42k so he got half of that then i ended the stake and continued playing the guy at 25/50 with my 21k cuz he was so bad

On May 08 2008 19:05 Day[9] wrote: TOTALLY off topic: What uni are you at maynard? what are you studying? ^_^

New York University - Law

On May 08 2008 09:03 Rekrul wrote: YO U PLAY ON HAHA? I PLAY ON HAHA. HAHA.

how is noone laughing at this lol

On May 08 2008 21:26 D_Zoo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 09:03 Rekrul wrote: YO U PLAY ON HAHA? I PLAY ON HAHA. HAHA. how is noone laughing at this lol

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