[5NL] KK flops comes TT

villian is 42/7/1.1, no reads should i call this? or does this c/r show an obvious T?

Submitted by : fenner

PokerStars Game #17280447995: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/05/08 - 03:22:14 (ET)
Table 'Muliphein' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: dshilly ($6.01 in chips)
Seat 2: McBerry87 ($2.58 in chips)
Seat 3: The Dude 138 ($7.40 in chips)
Seat 4: jhslick ($3.38 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($14.21 in chips)
Seat 6: peppr_67 ($11.17 in chips)
peppr_67: posts small blind $0.02
dshilly: posts big blind $0.05

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
McBerry87: folds
The Dude 138: calls $0.05
jhslick: folds
Hero : raises $0.20 to $0.25
peppr_67: folds
dshilly: folds
The Dude 138: calls $0.20

Flop (Pot : $0.57)

   
The Dude 138: checks
Hero : bets $0.30
The Dude 138: raises $6.85 to $7.15 and is all-in
Hero : folds
The Dude 138 collected $1.12 from pot
The Dude 138: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $1.17 | Rake $0.05
Board  
Seat 1: dshilly (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: McBerry87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: The Dude 138 collected ($1.12)
Seat 4: jhslick folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hero (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: peppr_67 (small blind) folded before Flop

maybe i should check here to try draw to a full house?

villain limp called, ha has a pocket pair but i doubt its 88 or TT, maybe a lower one like 55, 66. snap call for me

On May 08 2008 00:42 fenner wrote: maybe i should check here to try draw to a full house?

oh god no

and this is usually a snap call for me

so basically we're saying he'll raise 88+ pre?

i dont think a 5nl retard is shoving with a T there

On May 08 2008 00:42 fenner wrote: maybe i should check here to try draw to a full house?

LOL definitely not!!

Unless he's shown tendencies of being a bit of a psycho and capable of bluffing here I'd probably just fold...

*edit* also to the person saying he limp called meaning he has a PP, do you really think that with a person playing 47/7? =

On May 08 2008 00:54 Ftrunkz wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 00:42 fenner wrote: maybe i should check here to try draw to a full house? LOL definitely not!! Unless he's shown tendencies of being a bit of a psycho and capable of bluffing here I'd probably just fold... *edit* also to the person saying he limp called meaning he has a PP, do you really think that with a person playing 47/7? =

what other hand could you put him on here?

why does he want to shove 88, Tx or TT here?

Just got put in a similar situation, vill had sameish stats

Submitted by : fenner

PokerStars Game #17282181027: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/05/08 - 06:50:24 (ET)
Table 'Lamberta V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: mynicky ($9.62 in chips)
Seat 2: leee.eeo ($3.29 in chips)
Seat 3: borq123 ($13.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($11.02 in chips)
Seat 5: djprecursor ($11.18 in chips)
Seat 6: cebo1 ($4.75 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $0.02
djprecursor: posts big blind $0.05

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
cebo1: calls $0.05
mynicky: folds
leee.eeo: folds
borq123: folds
Hero : raises $0.20 to $0.25
leee.eeo is sitting out
djprecursor: folds
cebo1: calls $0.20

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $0.55)

   
Hero : bets $0.25
cebo1: raises $4.25 to $4.50 and is all-in
Hero : calls $4.25

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $9.55)

   

River (Pot : $9.55)

   

Showdown
Hero : shows (two pair, Aces and Kings)
cebo1: mucks hand
Hero collected $9.10 from pot

Summary
Total pot $9.55 | Rake $0.45
Board  
Seat 1: mynicky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: leee.eeo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: borq123 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hero (small blind) showed and won ($9.10) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 5: djprecursor (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: cebo1 mucked

thats not a similar situation

can be 100 things, everything inbetween a ten, a draw , and eight or some underpair

since his af is so low/his vpip is so high, i'll give him credit the first time(low af=doesnt bet/shove often) and will continue to do so usually -.-

im calling here 99% of time

I don't see why you would snapcall here against someone with those stats (assuming a decent sample size, that is). If he is playing a lot of hands and playing them passively, and then all of a sudden decides to CRAI on a board like this, then I think our calling this with KK is exactly WHY he is taking this line. Loose-passives with low AFs don't just randomly go crazy with bluffs like this postflop...they play a lot of hands until they hit and try to get "max value" this way, from hands like KK. Even if he plays JJ or QQ or even 99 like this then I think it's still a fold because he probably has a Tx MUCH more often than those hands. Don't forget that this is 5NL and the normal villain probably doesn't even know how/is too scared to take this line as a bluff (until you actually see it happen and then you can adjust accordingly).