[25NL] TPQK checkraised on river

Submitted by : collegesucks

PokerStars Game #17247917627: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/05/06 - 16:56:33 (ET)
Table 'Spica IV' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: DOM112 ($48.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Edingow ($10.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Masterfrank ($38.20 in chips)
Seat 4: jso827 ($26.40 in chips)
Seat 5: beckyb4945 ($25.85 in chips)
Seat 6: Bigballin13 ($27.10 in chips)
Bigballin13: posts small blind $0.10
DOM112: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to jso827
Edingow: folds
Masterfrank: raises $1.25 to $1.50
jso827 : calls $1.50
beckyb4945: folds
Bigballin13: folds
DOM112: folds

Flop (Pot : $3.35)

   
Masterfrank: bets $2.50
jso827 : calls $2.50

Turn (Pot : $8.35)

   
Masterfrank: checks
jso827 : checks

River (Pot : $8.35)

   
Masterfrank: checks
jso827 : bets $5
Masterfrank: raises $12 to $17
jso827 : folds
Masterfrank collected $17.50 from pot
Masterfrank: doesn't show hand

Summary
Total pot $18.35 | Rake $0.85
Board  
Seat 1: DOM112 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Edingow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Masterfrank collected ($17.50)
Seat 4: jso827 folded on the River
Seat 5: beckyb4945 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Bigballin13 (small blind) folded before Flop

I think the fold was good. Very rarely do you ever see people CR bluff the river like this, especially at these levels. He may have either overplayed AK or has like AT or something that improved on the turn. I think it was perfectly fine as played here.

i dont think this is overplaying AK if he takes such a line ^^ its just a line to get value out of bluffs/weaker aces vs donks.

that being said, yeah you're behind on TT/AK/AT, all of which he's likely to have (also AQ but.. still a fold)

Ps you kind of underrepresent your hand by checking turn, and i think you did this on purpose to get value out of Ax/KK/QQ/JJ/Ax/AJ on the river?

There's exactly nothing you beat here. It also requires quite a lot thought from villain to be a pure bluff. I wouldn't try this as bluf too often, simply because you may get a crying/spew/frustrated/whatever call with one pair hand. Also, it's not that often to see people value bet 3 streets with one pair.

yeah without a monster c/r is kinda stupid and is gonna get called more than 70% of the time by aq ak, so it's def a good fold imo

fuck im bad, im calling this anyday

On May 07 2008 07:26 GsOne wrote: There's exactly nothing you beat here. It also requires quite a lot thought from villain to be a pure bluff. I wouldn't try this as bluf too often, simply because you may get a crying/spew/frustrated/whatever call with one pair hand. Also, it's not that often to see people value bet 3 streets with one pair.

On May 07 2008 09:08 whamm! wrote: yeah without a monster c/r is kinda stupid and is gonna get called more than 70% of the time by aq ak, so it's def a good fold imo

so you'd say that this an effective monster line then?

i do think that my hand is pretty underrepped here. there's probably no reason for villain to think that i have top pair second kicker here. i flat pre (playing somewhere in the vicinity of 23/21/4) and "float" flop and check turn for river value + to balance my range in position.

but i doubt he's checkraising thin with like AJ or sth, it's kinda tough to put me on a hand that would vbet river behind other than an ace, and if he put me on a weaker ace he would lead river most likely. hands that i will flat pre and call flop like 99-88 i will probably never vbet with on the river on that board, since i never get value from worse. and if i called flop with air, i'm mostly likely doing that to bet turn, which i didn't. so even though my hand is underrepped, my river bet reps a lot of Ax hands, just not as good as tpsk, and he still check raised me (fairly quickly too).

i guess he thought that i had a lot of weak aces in my range and knew i would vbet the river with them. expecting that, he immediately raises over my river bet with his monster which now i think is pretty obvious. now that i think about it, it's not a tough fold to make. but i do agree that bluffing like villain would get called by spewy aces a fair number of times.

MasterFrank is an aggressive mofo and will do this with many hands, particularly after your turn check and smallish river bet. Call down.

very disciplined fold, man. I would have had a very very tough time thinking this over and prob eventually convinced myself based on some stupidly random contrived/irrelevant example of vill's play on an earlier hand or something (= coinflip)...if I didn't time out. o.O

100% snap call kicker does not matter, I'd prob call with A2


On that note bet turn and shove river, dont let him see a cheap showdown, you called 6bb preflop to get here - this is your gin flop - play your hand for what its worth