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collegesucks   United States. May 06 2008 21:52. Posts 5780 | | | |
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JoeDeertay   United States. May 07 2008 01:21. Posts 1730 | | |
I think the fold was good. Very rarely do you ever see people CR bluff the river like this, especially at these levels. He may have either overplayed AK or has like AT or something that improved on the turn. I think it was perfectly fine as played here. |
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rogier   Netherlands. May 07 2008 01:53. Posts 1528 | | |
i dont think this is overplaying AK if he takes such a line ^^ its just a line to get value out of bluffs/weaker aces vs donks.
that being said, yeah you're behind on TT/AK/AT, all of which he's likely to have (also AQ but.. still a fold)
Ps you kind of underrepresent your hand by checking turn, and i think you did this on purpose to get value out of Ax/KK/QQ/JJ/Ax/AJ on the river? |
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GsOne   Poland. May 07 2008 08:26. Posts 732 | | |
There's exactly nothing you beat here. It also requires quite a lot thought from villain to be a pure bluff. I wouldn't try this as bluf too often, simply because you may get a crying/spew/frustrated/whatever call with one pair hand. Also, it's not that often to see people value bet 3 streets with one pair. |
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whamm!   Albania. May 07 2008 10:08. Posts 11625 | | |
yeah without a monster c/r is kinda stupid and is gonna get called more than 70% of the time by aq ak, so it's def a good fold imo |
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ck20   . May 07 2008 11:28. Posts 1130 | | |
fuck im bad, im calling this anyday |
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collegesucks   United States. May 07 2008 12:41. Posts 5780 | | |
| | On May 07 2008 07:26 GsOne wrote:
There's exactly nothing you beat here. It also requires quite a lot thought from villain to be a pure bluff. I wouldn't try this as bluf too often, simply because you may get a crying/spew/frustrated/whatever call with one pair hand. Also, it's not that often to see people value bet 3 streets with one pair. |
| | On May 07 2008 09:08 whamm! wrote:
yeah without a monster c/r is kinda stupid and is gonna get called more than 70% of the time by aq ak, so it's def a good fold imo |
so you'd say that this an effective monster line then? |
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collegesucks   United States. May 07 2008 12:50. Posts 5780 | | |
i do think that my hand is pretty underrepped here. there's probably no reason for villain to think that i have top pair second kicker here. i flat pre (playing somewhere in the vicinity of 23/21/4) and "float" flop and check turn for river value + to balance my range in position.
but i doubt he's checkraising thin with like AJ or sth, it's kinda tough to put me on a hand that would vbet river behind other than an ace, and if he put me on a weaker ace he would lead river most likely. hands that i will flat pre and call flop like 99-88 i will probably never vbet with on the river on that board, since i never get value from worse. and if i called flop with air, i'm mostly likely doing that to bet turn, which i didn't. so even though my hand is underrepped, my river bet reps a lot of Ax hands, just not as good as tpsk, and he still check raised me (fairly quickly too).
i guess he thought that i had a lot of weak aces in my range and knew i would vbet the river with them. expecting that, he immediately raises over my river bet with his monster which now i think is pretty obvious. now that i think about it, it's not a tough fold to make. but i do agree that bluffing like villain would get called by spewy aces a fair number of times. |
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Aphelion   United States. May 07 2008 13:37. Posts 267 | | |
MasterFrank is an aggressive mofo and will do this with many hands, particularly after your turn check and smallish river bet. Call down. |
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SemPeR   Canada. May 07 2008 20:23. Posts 2288 | | |
very disciplined fold, man. I would have had a very very tough time thinking this over and prob eventually convinced myself based on some stupidly random contrived/irrelevant example of vill's play on an earlier hand or something (= coinflip)...if I didn't time out. o.O |
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TalentedTom   Canada. May 07 2008 20:39. Posts 20070 | | |
100% snap call kicker does not matter, I'd prob call with A2
On that note bet turn and shove river, dont let him see a cheap showdown, you called 6bb preflop to get here - this is your gin flop - play your hand for what its worth |
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