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newbie.cjb   United States. May 06 2008 17:46. Posts 2524

I'm guessing with all the traffic and rakeback about 50k-100k but i can be way off

Dizcuss


iop   Sweden. May 06 2008 17:51. Posts 2443

hmm, good question.

I bet meat would want me to anwer this on an SEO perspective

ChoboPokeR_r [observer]: i once put a guy on a hand 5 times in a row preflop with how he bet, and i got it all right, nothing too special 

bane   United States. May 06 2008 17:52. Posts 607

how many actual "owners" are there?

with a little bit of gold and a pager 

haeper   Germany. May 06 2008 18:00. Posts 307


  On May 06 2008 17:52 bane wrote:
how many actual "owners" are there?


ye good question


[vital]Myth    United States. May 06 2008 18:05. Posts 9211

owned by meat and naz

worth 500k-1m i think

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

collegesucks   United States. May 06 2008 18:06. Posts 2154

how does one value a website like this...?

im a finance major but i don't know where to start

only thing i can think of is like... dcf analysis of projected advertising income -__-a

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bane   United States. May 06 2008 18:11. Posts 607


  On May 06 2008 18:06 collegesucks wrote:
how does one value a website like this...?

im a finance major but i don't know where to start

only thing i can think of is like... dcf analysis of projected advertising income -__-a



nah i think they just print money

with a little bit of gold and a pager 

Tien   Canada. May 06 2008 18:11. Posts 1158

revenue and traffic.

Only one life to live 

collegesucks   United States. May 06 2008 18:21. Posts 2154

revenue from....?

and traffic = $ how?

=D 

DooMeR   United States. May 06 2008 18:41. Posts 5732

because of the adds and promotions they run. and ye i think myth is pretty spot on with his assumption. id of guessed the same

I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance, by running away from the scene of an accident. 

TimDawg   United States. May 06 2008 18:42. Posts 5461

isn't there a site that calculates this?

iamalex: lol what if you were cursed by a mummy to never win showdowns. you could only play fold equity. that would suck man 

lostaccount   Canada. May 06 2008 18:46. Posts 1715

no one knows how much liquidpoker make,except meat and naz. i guess their income is 50k/month so the site should be around 5million.


Daut    United States. May 06 2008 18:50. Posts 4136

i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months

I think that poker is comparable to a starcraft 2v2 where your partner is your bankroll. It really sucks when im terran and they both rush my bankroll. - Travis Victor says: sending me pokerhand is like spitting in my face 

Day[9]   United States. May 06 2008 18:51. Posts 2538

god it has to be at LEAST like 500k

and that's generous lower bound lol

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Subaru   United States. May 06 2008 18:52. Posts 1948

$10

Was LP name God 

Yugless    United States. May 06 2008 19:03. Posts 6149

http://www.liquidpoker.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65226

it's old and probably not accurate anyway!

Yugless wins pot ($151) with a flush, Ace high. 1kale1: what a fish 

Catul   France. May 06 2008 19:09. Posts 1271

I'd say the upper range of myth's guess.


tilted fish   Canada. May 06 2008 19:36. Posts 2586

As Jerry Yang would say, 1 million


Pinos   Mexico. May 06 2008 20:55. Posts 56

ya i guess meat and naz could sell lp then buyin to HSP next season, rebuy LP and make a profit out of it


Loco   Canada. May 06 2008 22:12. Posts 13522

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net

this is def bullshit tho

tho 25nl with 250 roll is stupid tho started with 50 2 day ago ..i stick 10nl sometimes get bored and give 25nl shot but noone gives respct since i have very aggro hydralist icon - wolfheartLast edit: 06/05/2008 22:14

100Large   Canada. May 06 2008 22:13. Posts 106

and it all started from starcraft


mikeymoo   Canada. May 06 2008 22:29. Posts 274


  On May 06 2008 19:36 tilted fish wrote:
As Jerry Yang would say, 1 mirrion


Fixed.


Heath_at_Uk1   United States. May 07 2008 00:05. Posts 128


  On May 06 2008 22:12 Loco wrote:
http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net

this is def bullshit tho



that's not taking into account all of the different language sections of LP, plus the rakeback and shit.


Loco   Canada. May 07 2008 00:33. Posts 13522


  On May 07 2008 00:05 Heath_at_Uk1 wrote:
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that's not taking into account all of the different language sections of LP, plus the rakeback and shit.


the different languagues aren't worth much, coupe grands each at most. but yeah idk about the rakeback. it's definitely big.

tho 25nl with 250 roll is stupid tho started with 50 2 day ago ..i stick 10nl sometimes get bored and give 25nl shot but noone gives respct since i have very aggro hydralist icon - wolfheart 

k2o4   United States. May 07 2008 00:37. Posts 1711

Funny cause we had this discussion on my team's website and LP came up, this is wut vegable found:

www.liquidpoker.net

Net Worth : $45953.5
Daily Pageview : 20315
Daily Ads Revenue : $62.95[/quote]

NadaLast edit: 07/05/2008 00:38

Baal   . May 07 2008 00:56. Posts 16292


  On May 06 2008 18:50 Daut wrote:
i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months



LOL wat? no.



setting a price with those traffic analisis is dumb... like the Goatse page is worth millions and if you go to mmm some online shoe store wont be worth much yet the shoe store will make much more simply because every hit is 1000 more valuable than a goatse hit.

same happens with lp.net (and any poker page), even if we have 1/8th of the traffic teamliquid have this page is much more valuable and profitable.

if ive had to put a price for the whole lp.net network id say arround 1M

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byrnesam   New Zealand. May 07 2008 02:07. Posts 5893

$1 million?

wtfyouhighnigga


Ket    United Kingdom. May 07 2008 02:11. Posts 5788

haha that was my reaction to seeing this thread. congrats naz and meat!

nit life 

Twisted    Netherlands. May 07 2008 02:45. Posts 6290

I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com).

And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it.

This website is a fricken goldmine.


byrnesam   New Zealand. May 07 2008 03:10. Posts 5893

WAT??
5-10 MILLION? LOL


Day[9]   United States. May 07 2008 03:42. Posts 2538


  On May 07 2008 00:56 Baal wrote:
Show nested quote +



LOL wat? no.



setting a price with those traffic analisis is dumb... like the Goatse page is worth millions and if you go to mmm some online shoe store wont be worth much yet the shoe store will make much more simply because every hit is 1000 more valuable than a goatse hit.

same happens with lp.net (and any poker page), even if we have 1/8th of the traffic teamliquid have this page is much more valuable and profitable.

if ive had to put a price for the whole lp.net network id say arround 1M


actually daut is totally correct (nearly).

the standard purchase amount of another business is 2 years profit. ie if you make a million annually, your business is generally sold for around 2 million dollars. of course, there are other factors like estimated growth/decline that can tweak that price a little bit.

but yeah, 24 month profit = standard going rate for a company/business

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Golden Ghost   Netherlands. May 07 2008 04:34. Posts 257


  On May 07 2008 03:42 Day[9] wrote:
actually daut is totally correct (nearly).

the standard purchase amount of another business is 2 years profit. ie if you make a million annually, your business is generally sold for around 2 million dollars. of course, there are other factors like estimated growth/decline that can tweak that price a little bit.

but yeah, 24 month profit = standard going rate for a company/business


It might be working that way with the "old" markets but you can't tell me that when Microsoft bought 1.6% of Facebook for $240 million last year, that meant Facebook was making an annual profit of $7.5 billion.

And there are a few more examples like that in the "new" market segments.

With these upcoming markets it's all about future expectations. Not realistic figures.

But we at Liquidpoker don’t care about that. Our players are nutjobs, maniacs, psychics, and unstoppable beasts at the poker tables, crushing the highest limits around -[vital]Myth 

skwigggg   Denmark. May 07 2008 04:35. Posts 32


  On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote:
I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com).

And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it.

This website is a fricken goldmine.



but how much did they lose


Baal   . May 07 2008 04:36. Posts 16292


  On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote:
I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com).

And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it.

This website is a fricken goldmine.



ur wrong, lp.net hasnt made that much, not even close.

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Spitfiree   Bulgaria. May 07 2008 04:46. Posts 634

agree with Daut except 18 month goes->5years


kemo   Denmark. May 07 2008 05:06. Posts 311

Haha.. I like the "Other Site On 216.98.141.250" in the http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net page.
Look at number 1.

yarh 

Eo   Poland. May 07 2008 05:23. Posts 19

Whats with the 18 months?
I mean the logic is good but the number is not.
Look at stock markets at the price-earnings ratio (price/earnings in past 12 months) non of the companies that is not currently going out of business has number lower than 2. Many have like 10-20.

Would be extra easy to achieve monster profit if normal running companies were sold at price equal to 18 month profit

Veni Vidi Variance 

Fox   . May 07 2008 07:10. Posts 1108

Baal is right. Traffic =! worth.

I own nohunters.com and i was getting 4 million hits a month at one point and i made nothing. Then dota got so much more popular then footmen frenzy that everyone converted and now my site does nothing. But yeah traffic means jack shit. I mean i was getting about 100k hits a day and if we use that bizzaro websiteoutlook site as a compass then I should have been rich as fuck.

obviously grinding NL50-100 that is not the case.


jayluf   United States. May 07 2008 07:13. Posts 244

its worth whatever someone would pay for it.

microsoft's stake in facebook placed an implicit value on the company overnight. previously, the value was not known. so until you actually have a bid on lp, you really can't be too accurate with the valuations.


SolarMusic   Germany. May 07 2008 09:23. Posts 1212

who makes profit with that rakeback shit? how does lp.net make profit with it? and how do the pokerrooms profit with it?


devon06atX   Canada. May 07 2008 09:29. Posts 1540

we take a small cut of what we pay towards rake

lp takes a smaller cut of what we get back

and pokerrooms pay out little chunks of money back to customers to make them continue playing (losing rake) at their sites

Sometimes youre flush and sometimes youre bust, and when youre up, its never as good as it seems, and when youre down, you never think youll be up again, but life goes on - Fred Jung, Blow 

JYang   United States. May 07 2008 09:32. Posts 2293

lp prolly make a TON from rakeback thing.

we get nothing but rakeback and we're all high volume players


Daut    United States. May 07 2008 09:51. Posts 4136

lol you guys are insane

i would value LP's worth at maybe 100-200k. since party stuff has died down its not really that profitable. if UIEGA was repealed and party stuff could come infull force again, i would say that LP's worth would increase by about 300-400% and maybe then it would be worth 1m. but as of now its def not worth anything near that

I think that poker is comparable to a starcraft 2v2 where your partner is your bankroll. It really sucks when im terran and they both rush my bankroll. - Travis Victor says: sending me pokerhand is like spitting in my faceLast edit: 07/05/2008 09:52