How much is LP worth?

I'm guessing with all the traffic and rakeback about 50k-100k but i can be way off

Dizcuss

hmm, good question.

I bet meat would want me to anwer this on an SEO perspective

how many actual "owners" are there?

On May 06 2008 17:52 bane wrote: how many actual "owners" are there?

ye good question

owned by meat and naz

worth 500k-1m i think

how does one value a website like this...?

im a finance major but i don't know where to start

only thing i can think of is like... dcf analysis of projected advertising income -__-a

On May 06 2008 18:06 collegesucks wrote: how does one value a website like this...? im a finance major but i don't know where to start only thing i can think of is like... dcf analysis of projected advertising income -__-a

nah i think they just print money

revenue and traffic.

revenue from....?

and traffic = $ how?

because of the adds and promotions they run. and ye i think myth is pretty spot on with his assumption. id of guessed the same

isn't there a site that calculates this?

no one knows how much liquidpoker make,except meat and naz. i guess their income is 50k/month so the site should be around 5million.

i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months

god it has to be at LEAST like 500k

and that's generous lower bound lol

$10

http://www.liquidpoker.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65226

it's old and probably not accurate anyway!

I'd say the upper range of myth's guess.

As Jerry Yang would say, 1 million

ya i guess meat and naz could sell lp then buyin to HSP next season, rebuy LP and make a profit out of it

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net

this is def bullshit tho

and it all started from starcraft

On May 06 2008 19:36 tilted fish wrote: As Jerry Yang would say, 1 mirrion

Fixed.

On May 06 2008 22:12 Loco wrote: http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net this is def bullshit tho

that's not taking into account all of the different language sections of LP, plus the rakeback and shit.

On May 07 2008 00:05 Heath_at_Uk1 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2008 22:12 Loco wrote: http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net this is def bullshit tho that's not taking into account all of the different language sections of LP, plus the rakeback and shit.

the different languagues aren't worth much, coupe grands each at most. but yeah idk about the rakeback. it's definitely big.

Funny cause we had this discussion on my team's website and LP came up, this is wut vegable found:

www.liquidpoker.net

Net Worth : $45953.5
Daily Pageview : 20315
Daily Ads Revenue : $62.95[/quote]

On May 06 2008 18:50 Daut wrote: i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months

LOL wat? no.



setting a price with those traffic analisis is dumb... like the Goatse page is worth millions and if you go to mmm some online shoe store wont be worth much yet the shoe store will make much more simply because every hit is 1000 more valuable than a goatse hit.

same happens with lp.net (and any poker page), even if we have 1/8th of the traffic teamliquid have this page is much more valuable and profitable.

if ive had to put a price for the whole lp.net network id say arround 1M

$1 million?

wtfyouhighnigga

haha that was my reaction to seeing this thread. congrats naz and meat!

I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com).

And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it.

This website is a fricken goldmine.

WAT??
5-10 MILLION? LOL

On May 07 2008 00:56 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2008 18:50 Daut wrote: i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months LOL wat? no. setting a price with those traffic analisis is dumb... like the Goatse page is worth millions and if you go to mmm some online shoe store wont be worth much yet the shoe store will make much more simply because every hit is 1000 more valuable than a goatse hit. same happens with lp.net (and any poker page), even if we have 1/8th of the traffic teamliquid have this page is much more valuable and profitable. if ive had to put a price for the whole lp.net network id say arround 1M

actually daut is totally correct (nearly).

the standard purchase amount of another business is 2 years profit. ie if you make a million annually, your business is generally sold for around 2 million dollars. of course, there are other factors like estimated growth/decline that can tweak that price a little bit.

but yeah, 24 month profit = standard going rate for a company/business

On May 07 2008 03:42 Day[9] wrote: actually daut is totally correct (nearly). the standard purchase amount of another business is 2 years profit. ie if you make a million annually, your business is generally sold for around 2 million dollars. of course, there are other factors like estimated growth/decline that can tweak that price a little bit. but yeah, 24 month profit = standard going rate for a company/business

It might be working that way with the "old" markets but you can't tell me that when Microsoft bought 1.6% of Facebook for $240 million last year, that meant Facebook was making an annual profit of $7.5 billion.

And there are a few more examples like that in the "new" market segments.

With these upcoming markets it's all about future expectations. Not realistic figures.

On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote: I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com). And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it. This website is a fricken goldmine.

but how much did they lose

On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote: I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com). And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it. This website is a fricken goldmine.

ur wrong, lp.net hasnt made that much, not even close.

agree with Daut except 18 month goes->5years

Haha.. I like the "Other Site On 216.98.141.250" in the http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net page.
Look at number 1.

Whats with the 18 months?
I mean the logic is good but the number is not.
Look at stock markets at the price-earnings ratio (price/earnings in past 12 months) non of the companies that is not currently going out of business has number lower than 2. Many have like 10-20.

Would be extra easy to achieve monster profit if normal running companies were sold at price equal to 18 month profit

Baal is right. Traffic =! worth.

I own nohunters.com and i was getting 4 million hits a month at one point and i made nothing. Then dota got so much more popular then footmen frenzy that everyone converted and now my site does nothing. But yeah traffic means jack shit. I mean i was getting about 100k hits a day and if we use that bizzaro websiteoutlook site as a compass then I should have been rich as fuck.

obviously grinding NL50-100 that is not the case.

its worth whatever someone would pay for it.

microsoft's stake in facebook placed an implicit value on the company overnight. previously, the value was not known. so until you actually have a bid on lp, you really can't be too accurate with the valuations.

who makes profit with that rakeback shit? how does lp.net make profit with it? and how do the pokerrooms profit with it?

we take a small cut of what we pay towards rake

lp takes a smaller cut of what we get back

and pokerrooms pay out little chunks of money back to customers to make them continue playing (losing rake) at their sites

lp prolly make a TON from rakeback thing.

we get nothing but rakeback and we're all high volume players

lol you guys are insane

i would value LP's worth at maybe 100-200k. since party stuff has died down its not really that profitable. if UIEGA was repealed and party stuff could come infull force again, i would say that LP's worth would increase by about 300-400% and maybe then it would be worth 1m. but as of now its def not worth anything near that