How much is LP worth?

I'm guessing with all the traffic and rakeback about 50k-100k but i can be way off

Dizcuss

hmm, good question.

I bet meat would want me to anwer this on an SEO perspective

how many actual "owners" are there?

On May 06 2008 17:52 bane wrote: how many actual "owners" are there?

ye good question

owned by meat and naz

worth 500k-1m i think

how does one value a website like this...?

im a finance major but i don't know where to start

only thing i can think of is like... dcf analysis of projected advertising income -__-a

On May 06 2008 18:06 collegesucks wrote: how does one value a website like this...? im a finance major but i don't know where to start only thing i can think of is like... dcf analysis of projected advertising income -__-a

nah i think they just print money

revenue and traffic.

revenue from....?

and traffic = $ how?

because of the adds and promotions they run. and ye i think myth is pretty spot on with his assumption. id of guessed the same

isn't there a site that calculates this?

no one knows how much liquidpoker make,except meat and naz. i guess their income is 50k/month so the site should be around 5million.

i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months

god it has to be at LEAST like 500k

and that's generous lower bound lol

$10

http://www.liquidpoker.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=65226

it's old and probably not accurate anyway!

I'd say the upper range of myth's guess.

As Jerry Yang would say, 1 million

ya i guess meat and naz could sell lp then buyin to HSP next season, rebuy LP and make a profit out of it

http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net

this is def bullshit tho

and it all started from starcraft

On May 06 2008 19:36 tilted fish wrote: As Jerry Yang would say, 1 mirrion

Fixed.

On May 06 2008 22:12 Loco wrote: http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net this is def bullshit tho

that's not taking into account all of the different language sections of LP, plus the rakeback and shit.

On May 07 2008 00:05 Heath_at_Uk1 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2008 22:12 Loco wrote: http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net this is def bullshit tho that's not taking into account all of the different language sections of LP, plus the rakeback and shit.

the different languagues aren't worth much, coupe grands each at most. but yeah idk about the rakeback. it's definitely big.

Funny cause we had this discussion on my team's website and LP came up, this is wut vegable found:

www.liquidpoker.net

Net Worth : $45953.5
Daily Pageview : 20315
Daily Ads Revenue : $62.95[/quote]

On May 06 2008 18:50 Daut wrote: i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months

LOL wat? no.



setting a price with those traffic analisis is dumb... like the Goatse page is worth millions and if you go to mmm some online shoe store wont be worth much yet the shoe store will make much more simply because every hit is 1000 more valuable than a goatse hit.

same happens with lp.net (and any poker page), even if we have 1/8th of the traffic teamliquid have this page is much more valuable and profitable.

if ive had to put a price for the whole lp.net network id say arround 1M

$1 million?

wtfyouhighnigga

haha that was my reaction to seeing this thread. congrats naz and meat!

I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com).

And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it.

This website is a fricken goldmine.

WAT??
5-10 MILLION? LOL

On May 07 2008 00:56 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 06 2008 18:50 Daut wrote: i think generally a business is worth what it can make in 18 months LOL wat? no. setting a price with those traffic analisis is dumb... like the Goatse page is worth millions and if you go to mmm some online shoe store wont be worth much yet the shoe store will make much more simply because every hit is 1000 more valuable than a goatse hit. same happens with lp.net (and any poker page), even if we have 1/8th of the traffic teamliquid have this page is much more valuable and profitable. if ive had to put a price for the whole lp.net network id say arround 1M

actually daut is totally correct (nearly).

the standard purchase amount of another business is 2 years profit. ie if you make a million annually, your business is generally sold for around 2 million dollars. of course, there are other factors like estimated growth/decline that can tweak that price a little bit.

but yeah, 24 month profit = standard going rate for a company/business

On May 07 2008 03:42 Day[9] wrote: actually daut is totally correct (nearly). the standard purchase amount of another business is 2 years profit. ie if you make a million annually, your business is generally sold for around 2 million dollars. of course, there are other factors like estimated growth/decline that can tweak that price a little bit. but yeah, 24 month profit = standard going rate for a company/business

It might be working that way with the "old" markets but you can't tell me that when Microsoft bought 1.6% of Facebook for $240 million last year, that meant Facebook was making an annual profit of $7.5 billion.

And there are a few more examples like that in the "new" market segments.

With these upcoming markets it's all about future expectations. Not realistic figures.

On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote: I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com). And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it. This website is a fricken goldmine.

but how much did they lose

On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote: I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com). And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it. This website is a fricken goldmine.

ur wrong, lp.net hasnt made that much, not even close.

agree with Daut except 18 month goes->5years

Haha.. I like the "Other Site On 216.98.141.250" in the http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.liquidpoker.net page.
Look at number 1.

Whats with the 18 months?
I mean the logic is good but the number is not.
Look at stock markets at the price-earnings ratio (price/earnings in past 12 months) non of the companies that is not currently going out of business has number lower than 2. Many have like 10-20.

Would be extra easy to achieve monster profit if normal running companies were sold at price equal to 18 month profit

Baal is right. Traffic =! worth.

I own nohunters.com and i was getting 4 million hits a month at one point and i made nothing. Then dota got so much more popular then footmen frenzy that everyone converted and now my site does nothing. But yeah traffic means jack shit. I mean i was getting about 100k hits a day and if we use that bizzaro websiteoutlook site as a compass then I should have been rich as fuck.

obviously grinding NL50-100 that is not the case.

its worth whatever someone would pay for it.

microsoft's stake in facebook placed an implicit value on the company overnight. previously, the value was not known. so until you actually have a bid on lp, you really can't be too accurate with the valuations.

who makes profit with that rakeback shit? how does lp.net make profit with it? and how do the pokerrooms profit with it?

--- Nuked ---

lp prolly make a TON from rakeback thing.

we get nothing but rakeback and we're all high volume players

lol you guys are insane

i would value LP's worth at maybe 100-200k. since party stuff has died down its not really that profitable. if UIEGA was repealed and party stuff could come infull force again, i would say that LP's worth would increase by about 300-400% and maybe then it would be worth 1m. but as of now its def not worth anything near that

it should be worth a lot though i dont think you guys have any idea how much work naz and meat put into the site. at one point naz was putting like 10 hours a day, especially working on the LP sites for other countries. poland, brazil and latin america took a lot of work to do and maybe they are bringing in a lot more income that i overlooked, but i dont think LP is making as much as it was about 18 months ago.

PE of 1.5 as daut claims is a tad on the low side I think. PE for the S+P 500 historically has been around 15-20 or so I believe. That means the worhth of the company is 15-20 times what it can make in a single year. Obviously, the PE for a huge, reputable company in the S+P is higher. But even from what I've seen, small businesses with some track record have been selling for a minimum of 2-3 years worth of profits.

but yeah, it depends on a huge number of factors. For retail operations such as restaurants, etc. the biggest factor that I've seen is the length and terms of the lease. If a store has a year or two left on a least and it is obvious that the landlord is gonna jack that shit up, the business will sell for a whole lot less than if it had 10 years left on a below market value lease.

I'd have valued it lower if this was asked before the new full tilt $100 offer.

On May 07 2008 09:54 Daut wrote: it should be worth a lot though i dont think you guys have any idea how much work naz and meat put into the site. at one point naz was putting like 10 hours a day, especially working on the LP sites for other countries. poland, brazil and latin america took a lot of work to do and maybe they are bringing in a lot more income that i overlooked, but i dont think LP is making as much as it was about 18 months ago.

and yet we are still waiting for our t-shirts... -_-;;

On May 07 2008 09:54 Daut wrote: it should be worth a lot though i dont think you guys have any idea how much work naz and meat put into the site. at one point naz was putting like 10 hours a day, especially working on the LP sites for other countries. poland, brazil and latin america took a lot of work to do and maybe they are bringing in a lot more income that i overlooked, but i dont think LP is making as much as it was about 18 months ago.

Not only were they working hard, they were also hiring other people to work hard. Naz doesn't mess around and expects alot but pays very reasonably

On May 07 2008 10:41 JonnyCosMo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2008 09:54 Daut wrote: it should be worth a lot though i dont think you guys have any idea how much work naz and meat put into the site. at one point naz was putting like 10 hours a day, especially working on the LP sites for other countries. poland, brazil and latin america took a lot of work to do and maybe they are bringing in a lot more income that i overlooked, but i dont think LP is making as much as it was about 18 months ago. and yet we are still waiting for our t-shirts... -_-;;

QFT =/

Naz is a very generous employer...I say this mainly bc I've been a fuck up during the end of this semester at university

I have no idea, but I do agree that it's probably worth less than it we all think it is, unfortunately. There's just a ton of competition. Also what daut said about the party thing, altho this new FTP offer could be gold in the long run. Meat/Naz def. put a shit ton of work into this site, major props to them.

It's worth a compromise of what someone is willing to pay for it and the owners are willing to sell it for.

meatspin.com is worth more than LP

rly

How much do they make from offering rakeback and the such? Is it just off each player they refer or a continuous percentage of the rakeback?

On May 07 2008 09:54 Daut wrote: it should be worth a lot though i dont think you guys have any idea how much work naz and meat put into the site. at one point naz was putting like 10 hours a day, especially working on the LP sites for other countries. poland, brazil and latin america took a lot of work to do and maybe they are bringing in a lot more income that i overlooked, but i dont think LP is making as much as it was about 18 months ago.

definitelly the PP promo were the golden age, hopefully the new fulltilt promo will bring some light again.

lp is worth a COOL Million imo.

lol, 90% of you guys are retards for thinking LP is worth more than 500K$. WTF are you guys thinking? Do you have any idea of how a web site works? Makes money? Geez.

Anyhow, i'll answer the stupid answer :

"lp is worth a COOL million imo."

But seriously, I don't know.... 75k$? Would be surprised if more.

On May 08 2008 01:36 careface_ wrote: lol, 90% of you guys are retards for thinking LP is worth more than 500K$. WTF are you guys thinking? Do you have any idea of how a web site works? Makes money? Geez. Anyhow, i'll answer the stupid answer : "lp is worth a COOL million imo." But seriously, I don't know.... 75k$? Would be surprised if more.

its good that you know more than some of us who have a good idea of lp.nets worth, income and total profit, retard.... 75k lol.. .id insta buy it.

I have no idea what it would be worth exactly, but i know we never made 5 million on this page and that it should be worth a little bit more than 75k

those websites with suggested incomes are hilarious,
teamliquid.net making 300$ / day? where can i signup.
liquidpoker.net making 60$ / day? maybe i should find another job.

On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote: I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com). And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it. This website is a fricken goldmine.

we never made anything close to 125$ per player, the player value of a free money promo is so much lower than somebody that deposits himself.

On May 08 2008 03:36 Liquid`Meat wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2008 02:45 Twisted wrote: I think it's pretty safe to assume they made like 5~10 million from this website. The Partypoker promotion alone has generated more than a million probably before PP pulled the plug on it. They got like 125$ per promo (it starts at 25 or so but if you sign up more people the reward got way higher with max of 125 or so iirc). Considering they signed up more than 10000 people for that promotion.. it might seem like I'm talking out of my ass but we also looked into that promotion when we were trying to start up our own site (tensevensuited.com). And that's just the start. Rakeback and other (new) promotions give sick revenue, considering the amount of people signing up for it. This website is a fricken goldmine. we never made anything close to 125$ per player, the player value of a free money promo is so much lower than somebody that deposits himself.

Guess I kinda overestimed some values .

Sorry about that.

Meat is def lying... he is just sad that he spent his 2.5M share on hookers and drugs and now he is broke.

On May 08 2008 01:51 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 01:36 careface_ wrote: lol, 90% of you guys are retards for thinking LP is worth more than 500K$. WTF are you guys thinking? Do you have any idea of how a web site works? Makes money? Geez. Anyhow, i'll answer the stupid answer : "lp is worth a COOL million imo." But seriously, I don't know.... 75k$? Would be surprised if more. its good that you know more than some of us who have a good idea of lp.nets worth, income and total profit, retard.... 75k lol.. .id insta buy it.

On May 08 2008 03:29 Liquid`Meat wrote: I have no idea what it would be worth exactly, but i know we never made 5 million on this page and that it should be worth a little bit more than 75k those websites with suggested incomes are hilarious, teamliquid.net making 300$ / day? where can i signup. liquidpoker.net making 60$ / day? maybe i should find another job.

lol baal looking like cartman atm

Hmmm with that 'little bit more' i actually meant a whole lot more.

On May 06 2008 19:36 tilted fish wrote: As Jerry Yang would say, 1 million

/derail
I saw him play some live $2/3 NL a few weeks ago, he played really tight preflop, but didn't fold much once he was in the pot. Lost a couple buy-ins.

On May 07 2008 04:35 skwigggg wrote: but how much did they lose

classic

rofl

On May 08 2008 01:36 careface_ wrote: lol, 90% of you guys are retards for thinking LP is worth more than 500K$. WTF are you guys thinking? Do you have any idea of how a web site works? Makes money? Geez. Anyhow, i'll answer the stupid answer : "lp is worth a COOL million imo." But seriously, I don't know.... 75k$? Would be surprised if more.

LEWL irony ?? kk u just owned yourself.

On May 08 2008 06:45 Liquid`Meat wrote: Hmmm with that 'little bit more' i actually meant a whole lot more.

lol heros)engage looking like cartman atm!!!!!!

On May 08 2008 11:32 Ket wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2008 06:45 Liquid`Meat wrote: Hmmm with that 'little bit more' i actually meant a whole lot more. lol heros)engage looking like cartman atm!!!!!!

hahaha i knew it was comming
^^
not my fault meat lyed

On May 08 2008 06:45 Liquid`Meat wrote: Hmmm with that 'little bit more' i actually meant a whole lot more.

I think it would be a little bit more than a whole lot more if you added SOURCE CONTROL

j/k

come on meat give us a reasonable figure its what we all want

(or at the very least someone turn this into a jailbait thread)

if it's worth 75k can i buy half of this website? ;o