NL200 Exposing failed bluffs

I think all the hands were played horribly. Discuss

First hand is against a bad player, didnt expected a fish to play a hand like this

Submitted by : Forrest Gump

PokerStars Game #17139136422: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2) - 2008/05/02 - 00:10:36 (ET)
Table Boda 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: 0120 ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($124.95 in chips)
Seat 3: FlareMVP ($211.40 in chips)
Seat 4: bigpimpn_7 ($454.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Reefypoopoo ($326.50 in chips)
Seat 6: 21carmanpbc ($191.15 in chips)
bigpimpn_7: posts small blind $1
Reefypoopoo: posts big blind $2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
21carmanpbc: calls $2
0120: folds
21carmanpbc said, "another pot?"
21carmanpbc said, "dam"
Hero : raises $6 to $8
FlareMVP: folds
bigpimpn_7 said, "haha"
bigpimpn_7: calls $7
21carmanpbc said, "again?"
Reefypoopoo: folds
21carmanpbc: calls $6

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $26.00)

   
21carmanpbc said, "this is getting old"
bigpimpn_7: checks
21carmanpbc: bets $6
bigpimpn_7 said, "haha yep it is"
Hero : calls $6
bigpimpn_7: folds

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $38.00)

   
21carmanpbc: checks
Hero : bets $22
21carmanpbc: calls $22

River (Pot : $82.00)

   
21carmanpbc: checks
Hero : bets $88.95 and is all-in
21carmanpbc: calls $88.95

Showdown
Hero : shows (a pair of Eights)
21carmanpbc: shows (a flush, King high)
21carmanpbc collected $256.90 from pot

Summary
Total pot $259.90 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: 0120 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: FlareMVP (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: bigpimpn_7 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Reefypoopoo (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: 21carmanpbc showed and won ($256.90) with a flush, King high

PokerStars Game #17069990503: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/04/29 - 00:28:05 (ET)
Table Ostanina 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: karend69 ($826.35 in chips)
Seat 2: weisy8 ($213.75 in chips)
Seat 3: obsid1an ($430.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($502.25 in chips)
Seat 5: SiLv3rStar ($67.80 in chips)
Seat 6: ronaldo500 ($388.70 in chips)
weisy8: posts small blind $2
obsid1an: posts big blind $4

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $8 to $12
SiLv3rStar: folds
ronaldo500: folds
karend69: folds
weisy8: folds
obsid1an: calls $8

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $26.00)

   
obsid1an: bets $20
Hero : calls $20

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $66.00)

   
obsid1an: bets $50
Hero : raises $50 to $100
obsid1an: calls $50

River (Pot : $266.00)

   
obsid1an: checks
Hero : bets $370.25 and is all-in
obsid1an: calls $298.50 and is all-in

Showdown
Hero : shows (a pair of Nines)
obsid1an: shows (a full house, Eights full of Nines)
obsid1an collected $860 from pot

Summary
Total pot $863 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: karend69 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: weisy8 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: obsid1an (big blind) showed and won ($860) with a full house, Eights full of Nines
Seat 4: Hero showed and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 5: SiLv3rStar folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 6: ronaldo500 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

PokerStars Game #17070317744: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4) - 2008/04/29 - 00:48:56 (ET)
Table Ostanina 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: karend69 ($870.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Jschlach ($390 in chips)
Seat 3: obsid1an ($810 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($369 in chips)
Jschlach: posts small blind $2
obsid1an: posts big blind $4
Primetime101: sits out

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero : raises $8 to $12
karend69: calls $12
Jschlach: calls $10
obsid1an: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $40.00)

   
toyoless joins the table at seat #5
Jschlach: checks
Hero : bets $30
karend69: folds
Jschlach: raises $54 to $84
Hero : raises $273 to $357 and is all-in
Jschlach: calls $273

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $754.00)

   

River (Pot : $754.00)

   

Showdown
Jschlach: shows (three of a kind, Sevens)
Hero : mucks hand
Jschlach collected $752 from pot

Summary
Total pot $754 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: karend69 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Jschlach (small blind) showed and won ($752) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 3: obsid1an (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Hero mucked

#1 dont bluff donks man, never works

#2 raise flop

#3 read dependant but its almost always fold why would guy get crazy here

Hand 1: Really don't like flatting the flop to bluff on later streets against a bad player. If you were going to do something, it would be to raise the flop or just fold. Turn is probably a good bluff card so it's ok to bluff at it but not particularly fond of a river shove b/c of his small flop bet and turn check/call.

Hand 2: I think calling the flop is fine since he's donking into u strong an an extremely draw heavy board so it looks like he's going to go with his hand all the way. Because of that, when he continues on the turn I would instantly give up and not try and pull any moves on him.

Hand 3: Hand 3 if your read is that he has a flushdraw then I'd assume that you think that's his minimum holding here to C/R with. If that's the case, then you're never really that far ahead since if he's holding Kh or Ah he's basically flipping against u. Given that, I don't like continuing with the hand ever especially since it's 3way and I think just giving up is fine.

wow I hate the third one
if you think he has a fl draw it's not a bluff though, it's a read; so then I don't mind

Why are you overbetshoving the river on hands #1 and #2. I don't really see the added value of making a large bet there, he's rarely going to fold a lot more when you shove isntead of 2/3 potbet or w/e.

#3 if you think hes drawing or full of it call and shove turn

#1 = what the fuk, either raise flop or fold... don't float with 5 high no pair no draw no backdoor draw

#2 given the read "he was TAG i think" I would not make this bluff, you have to be able to put him on a hand and vise versa for a bluff to be correct here, this is just random blind money dumping, learn what his lead range is before making this move. If im bluffing anywhere in this hand it's the flop since you should be able to make him fold any light value leads like Tx, Jx, 9x etc...

On May 06 2008 12:16 Forrest Gump wrote: I think all the hands were played horribly.

Ewwww, I feel all dirty lookin' at those, heheh.

0 reason to CALL on the first and second one, raise or fold. Second one I'd raise 100%.

As for third one, I really don't see why you'd do this push. You'll get called by most combo draws that are flipping. I guess you could occasionally fold out a marginal Q or a bluff, but I think it's just a huge spew without a very good read. I'd much prefer folding to calling to raising. =]

And like Sir Tom stated, you need to have a solid read on the opponent's range to make these plays.

Remember, your bluff isn't meant to make your opponent fold, but to represent a bigger hand against your opponents perceived range, which'll eventually result in your opponent folding out the best hand.

Also, shoving the flop in the third one might get herocalls from top pair type of hands, figuring you on a flip draw :D

ok where to start..

#1: If you're not confident he's folding a J high or T high flush then don't do this i hate it, and bluffing bad players probably a bad idea as well.

#2: With no reads i hate this a lot there's no evidence that he's giving light action, and there's also no reason why you'd do this to turn a profit right?
also if i'm going to bluff here...i bluff the flop where i have the most equity and it's much much cheaper to raise a $20 bet than a 40-60 bet.

#3: i actually lol'd at the read "i thought he had a flush draw"

even against a fairly loose range here you're flipping at best. a flush draw is flipping with you unless he has no over cards at all what makes you think he has something like 68hh over A3hh?
also consider an alternative line if you think he's on a draw or full of shit by flatting the flop raise and getting it in on a clean turn.

Try to have some outs when you bluff

Hand #2 you're going broke every time here but you really need to get money in on the flop, not on the turn where your equity drops considerably and then theres the river when it drops to zero...

And pay close attention to what Sjorris said. Don't bet any more than you have to on your bluffs without changing the outcome. Betting the pot instead of shoving all in makes you 100 bucks right there alone - and I still think a pot sized bet is more than you need to effectively bluff here.